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回复:古代骑兵冲锋有多大冲击力

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骑兵说的是用长矛应付,但是那是战阵但是就和前面说的一样,反作用的多少,别忘了,骑兵都是梯队批次冲锋,就算第一波第二波没被冲散,第三波呢,一个骑兵倒下,直接撞翻十来个人,后面再接上的骑兵,冲锋几乎毫无阻碍,一旦阵型遭到破坏,骑兵就不会给你第二次机会,都变成了一边倒的阵容,而且在以前无法遏制骑兵的原因就是因为武器单一,骑兵金贵,一个骑兵的军费就得多少了,到后来出现斩马刀,绊马锁什么的,那也是用于埋伏,包括二战期间,骑兵还能以建制存在,可见骑兵重要程度,就和坦克一样,前期谁也拿他没办法,但是现在呢,单兵火箭筒就可以打趴下,所以实战也是有根据的,以前没办法对付成监的骑兵,就和二战,没办法对付成建制的装甲车一样,一群骑兵冲过来,你得用多少人去挡,列宁大神说过一句话,当数量达到一定程度的时候,就会发生质变,当初老大哥就是这么打死德国的,


来自手机贴吧216楼2018-09-18 18:21
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    那个纪录片在哪里能看


    IP属地:江苏217楼2018-10-02 11:45
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      请问是哪一期的节目?名字叫什么,连名字都不知道,只看文字,没有直接观看来的实在


      IP属地:河南218楼2019-06-10 21:37
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        手拿着刺肯定不行啊,长矛后端顶地上(挖个小坑),人体只相当于一个支柱,瞬间人肉拒马就加起来了。马冲过来当然害怕,但马上的人就不害怕吗。我觉得骑兵的优势这样去冲很不划算,就在你步兵方阵附近转悠,不让你吃饭休息,骚扰你后勤,步兵不可能一直保持方阵必输,当然我说的是小规模遭遇,大规模军团作战应该是另一回事


        220楼2019-07-27 10:30
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          反正打不过武术大师就是了


          IP属地:山东来自Android客户端222楼2019-11-06 21:05
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            通篇看下来,看得出楼主不是讨论
            而是想让自己的想法强加给其他人,让其他人认可罢了
            就拿212-215楼举例,马都多贵特别是战马
            崇宁年间,“马价分为九等(良马三等,纲马六等)。良马上等者每匹折茶250斤,中等者220斤,下等者200斤。纲马六等,每匹分别折茶176斤、169斤、164斤、154斤、149 斤、132斤”。南宋时,马源锐减,马价上涨十多倍,要千斤茶才能换一匹马。
            茶价:北宋时期(960—1126)平均茶价约为六、七十文一斤。
            米价:熙宁(1068—1077)以前一般为每石六、七百文,徽宗时期(1101—1125)
            每石米就高达二贯、三贯,甚至四贯了
            南宋绍兴(1131—1160)初年,米涨至五、六贯一石,随后开始下降,保持在一贯左右;孝宗时期(1163—1189)又上升到每石二贯至二贯半左右。
            宋朝城镇居民每月收入有20贯左右。民以食为天,不管自然灾害,也不管南宋物价激增,平均在宋朝期间:1石大米(差不多60公斤),售价大约是700文,现代60公斤大米差不多140元左右。
            战马价格,就不细算了算他四百五十斤,折算下来三万多文,也就是三十多贯钱
            北宋中期的毕仲询曾记录这样一件事:有医生李遇见一骑马者,问道:“君马新市,其价几何?”回答道:“一百五十千。”宋朝足贯才是一千钱,一般铜钱是770文一贯。皇祐年间,陈襄在孟州河阳推广水稻种植,也不过“出钱十万,僦田二顷以试之”。一亩地500文,这样的一匹好马,差不多能抵得上200亩地了。
            至于那个时期的人收入我记得,平均20-40贯左右
            大概也就一个镇民的收入够买一匹马吧 这还不算马匹的日常维护喂养
            要知道马这种动物可不想牛羊这般,这东西娇贵的很
            战马吃的饲料也是很有讲究的,单单吃草还不行,你要给谷物、豆类甚至加入肉食,还有马是奇蹄目动物,不像牛羊有多个胃可以反刍,吃进去的食物消化率连40%都不到。
            除了吃之外,还要保持清洁 足够的运动量等等,各种七七八八一年可以顶五六个人的成本了
            再加上马具、盔甲等装备,加上骑兵的训练这些加起来,一个骑兵成本足够养活十多个步兵了,重骑兵那就更多了
            别的不说在古代战争上,不管东西方,用几个士兵去换一个骑兵是真的血赚
            十个士兵去换一个骑兵都不亏
            就算在现代,你可以差一下新四军骑兵团的消耗是有多么恐怖了


            IP属地:广西223楼2019-12-11 05:09
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              骑兵我没记错的话不是做扰乱阵型用的嘛,攻坚?脑子有洞啊,冲到阵容里面没有冲击的骑兵就是送菜


              224楼2020-02-15 09:18
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                如果骑兵运用灵活,是当之无愧的古代兵种之王,之所以这么说就是因为它的机动性。但是若是舍去了机动性来看冲击力,那就太奢侈了。一是这样会很浪费,而且,骑兵的冲击力并没有想象中的那么大,不是挡不住,不过需要大橹、弓弩、长枪等的结合,这样组成的阵型哪怕是重骑兵也冲不破,如果单考一个兵种的话,那当然是挡不住骑兵。


                IP属地:广东来自Android客户端226楼2020-04-25 14:49
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                  And I tell you, first, that the horses cannot go in all the places that the infantry do, because it is necessary for them either to turn back after they have come forward, or turning back to go for-ward, or to move from a stand-still, or to stand still after moving, so that, without doubt, the cavalry cannot do precisely thus as the infantry. Horses cannot, after being put into disorder from some attack, return to the order (of the ranks) except with difficulty, and even if the attack does not occur; the infantry rarely do this. In addition to this, it often occurs that a courageous man is mounted on a base horse, and a base man on a courageous horse, whence it must happen that this difference in courage causes disorders. Nor should anyone wonder that a Knot (group) of in-fantry sustains every attack of the cavalry, for the horse is a sensible an-imal and knows the dangers, and goes in unwillingly. And if you would think about what forces make him (the horse) go forward and what keep him back, without doubt you will see that those which hold him back are greater than those which push him; for spurs make him go forward, and, on the other hand, the sword and the pike retain him. So that from both ancient and modem experiences, it has been seen that a small group of infantry can be very secure from, and even actually insuperable to, the cavalry. And if you should argue on this that the Elan with which he comes makes it more furious in hurling himself against whoever wants to sustain his attack, and he responds less to the pike than the spur, I say that, as soon as the horse so disposed begins to see himself at the point of being struck by the points of the pikes, either he will by himself check his gait, so that he will stop as soon as he sees himself about to be pricked by them, or, being pricked by them, he will turn to the right or left. If you want to make a test of this, try to run a horse against a wall, and rarely will you find one that will run into it, no matter with what Elan you at-tempt it. Caesar, when he had to combat the Swiss in Gaul, dismounted and made everyone dismount to their feet, and had the horses removed from the ranks, as they were more adept at fleeing than fighting.


                  229楼2020-06-15 17:01
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                    战争是多兵种体系


                    231楼2020-06-15 18:57
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                      不知道你这只会打滚的**为什么有脸说别人纸上谈兵,事实上就是不管是西班牙人,瑞典人还是神罗人都有能力挡住骑兵冲锋,就你口中的“营养不良的古人”挡不住


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