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关于斑愿为什么进黑森林,我一开始第一反应也是因为她看着幼崽淹死。但后来仔细一想,有没有可能是因为她被枫荫设计,毒瞎了眼而心怀怨恨?毕竟人家明明有大好的前途,突然就被报复了,无法接受这样的命运也说不定


IP属地:江西来自Android客户端65楼2022-05-08 14:21
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    可是斑愿能相信三只幼崽可以过河,这种心理何尝不是一种罪过。顺便夸夸,实在是太牛了!


    IP属地:柬埔寨来自Android客户端66楼2022-06-25 22:08
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      2026-02-15 08:51:53
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        前两天Lofter上的一个有关枫荫的讨论让我重新燃起了对枫荫的热情(虽然这个热情一直没消散多少),于是我决定继续为了这一篇小传做点什么。我想到,既然那么多人都拒绝认清这部小说里呈现的事实,那我就把事实指出来给大家看。我的做法是把我当时读《枫荫的复仇》时的稿子翻出来,挑选几页重要的段落,然后给大家展示我在那上面写的笔记。这样一来,读者们便可以看到我在读原著的时候思想是怎么慢慢形成的,了解这篇分析文的读者甚至可以看出我的每条笔记提供的论据出现在了分析文的哪个大段里。希望这能帮人们看清一些出于某些原因而被漏掉的点。
        我知道我的字不太好认,所以我把它们誊抄了下来。每一页的誊抄内容都是从上到下,我使用的简写首次出现时会在括号里给出全写。页码在右下角。你需要在图片上对照我的原字迹才能看出我评论的是原文的哪句话。
      P2:
      Evidence: he cares about his position in RC(RiverClan).
      Inadvertent!!!
      Ms(Mapleshade) acknowledges it.
      He cares about Ms.
      Infantile thinking
      →(背面)Infantile optimism. She doesn't consider the possibility that her Clanmates are going to be furious when the truth comes out because that would imply that she is in the WRONG.
      △believable?
      What? ridiculous
      biased judgment
      P4:
      Self talking
      flawed logic Blaming
      exploitation
      She is clearly aware that she is exploiting Fw's(Frecklewish's) misinformation, & she concludes it as SC's(StarClan's) doing.
      She exploits before Fw confirmes her assumption. The order of events is important.
      P6:
      emphasizes on TC(ThunderClan). She thinks TC is grateful to her.
      She wants RC's gratitude as well.
      WHAT???
      She leaves out the “grandpa” part. She still doesn't actively lie.
      Another reminder
      P11:
      She asks her own kits to help Patchkit??? What's wrong with her?
      Ad(Appledusk) is caring about Ms and her kits.
      A clear warning
      A second warning
      P12:这是这一页的背面,因为正面写不下。这一页讲的是乌翅在河边上前质问枫荫。
      Rw(Ravenwing) “saw” everything. He doesn't specify that he has heard anything. It is Patchkit who reveals that the RC cat was close to them and Ms.
      He combines telltale details and eye-witnessed evidence to form a totally solid and correct conclusion. His logic was well founded.
      该页正面最下方,枫荫说“It's not my fault”时还有一句:Ms always deflects the blame to other cats. She never admits.






      IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端67楼2022-07-12 01:34
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        P13:
        Completely responsible, appropriate behaviour.
        Again, infantile thinking
        emphasizes TC again
        He shows compassion and regret to Ms and the kits. He is not cold-hearted.
        fact
        She still doesn't let go of her fantasies.
        P16:
        The first mention of crossing
        →(背面)Here she only mentions crossing the river, but not how or why.
        Ignores the warning.
        ※Fw couldn't have seen anything clearly.
        The river is really loud.
        →(背面)Even the stepping stones are barely visible.
        She decides to use the stepping stones.
        Ms refuses to accept the truth and reality.
        →(背面)Sole explanation of crossing the river now: before it gets dark.
        →(背面)Her kits know “there's too much water”, yet she doesn't consider the danger.
        P22:
        blame
        →(背面)He did NOT jump to conclusions. Besides, his conclusion was correct!
        →(背面)How is falling in love with Ad “beyond her control”?
        →(背面)Nettlepaw has absolutely no idea that the kits drowned in the river. It shows, at least, that Fw did not explicitly announce that she saw Ms's kits drown.
        →(背面)In a single instant, Ms alters the story. “Saw” doesn't mean she was “watching”. The part that Fw deliberately chose not to help is a creation in Ms's warped interpretation.
        Fw was probably laughing, because Ms fell. She didn't know about the kits.
        This was never stated by Np(Nettlepaw). She made that up.
        Np's story is also incomplete.






        IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端68楼2022-07-12 01:37
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          dd


          IP属地:北京来自Android客户端69楼2022-07-12 16:45
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            好精彩的分析,论证扎实论据详细,实乃精品


            IP属地:广东来自Android客户端70楼2022-08-11 22:25
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              dd,很赞同lz的分析(虽然我是个贪图枫荫美色的人
              不过我有一点想法:枫荫进行报复的原因也许不止是因为她失去了她自己的幼崽(不过显然是自己作的),虽然书中她出现了幼崽的幻象,但对她来说她一夜间失去的还有在族群的地位和她“痴迷”的伴侣,所以我认为她的复仇的起因应该是多重的,这样看她的复仇对象就合理了一点:
              1、被赶出雷族,认为是乌翅把预言告诉橡星而导致。至于她为什么不找橡星复仇,难道是她认为乌翅不说她就不会有事?也许她认为乌翅才是她被赶出去的根本原因
              2、听说雀斑愿“看到”她的幼崽落水,认为她见死不救。这条lz已经论证过了,是枫荫自己在不理智的情况下夸大颠倒了事实。我们看得出来她不理智,她自己可没觉得所以雀斑愿实惨
              3、苹果暮的背叛,让她连任何一个族群中的位置也失去了。自此,对她来说,她什么也没有了。这应该是广大枫荫粉最同情她的地方了。所以她选择苹果暮单纯是因为他的背叛罢了
              综上所述,只有雀斑愿是在枫荫的报复中因为她认为的幼崽的死而被杀的。乌翅的死也许和幼崽有关,但并非主要原因。苹果暮的就更没关系了


              来自iPhone客户端71楼2022-08-13 21:00
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                dd


                来自iPhone客户端72楼2022-08-13 21:02
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                  2026-02-15 08:45:53
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                  啊啊啊,我的楼被吞了


                  来自iPhone客户端73楼2022-08-13 21:03
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                    重发一下


                    来自iPhone客户端74楼2022-08-13 21:07
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                      打个岔,让我猜猜,lz肯定是i×tj或者e×fp,这熟悉的脑回路


                      IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端75楼2022-11-08 15:46
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                        看完了,的确对楼主感到很敬佩啊,我在读原著时也感到枫荫有些天真的可笑,但主观情感还是占主,欣赏她敢于报复的魄力,赞同她后面的杀戮。但看完后对枫荫有了更清醒的认知,您的剖析真是让我啧啧称奇。以及很好奇您对蜡毛的具体看法,毕竟他也是一个饱受争议的角色。当然我知道这有点过hhhhh毕竟做这件事需要耗费很多精力的。不过我还是会希望可以有更多这样清晰的见解出现的【抱拳】


                        76楼2024-01-20 19:38
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                          我个人认为枫荫的复仇是最精彩的一部小外传,没有之一。


                          IP属地:广东来自Android客户端77楼2024-05-04 20:42
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                            学术论文啊!


                            IP属地:美国来自Android客户端78楼2024-07-18 23:23
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                              2026-02-15 08:39:53
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                              写得很好!


                              IP属地:美国来自Android客户端79楼2024-07-18 23:37
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