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【讨论】论枫荫和《枫荫的复仇》

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我知道有关枫荫的讨论很多,但我忍不住想表达一下自己(可能不太受欢迎)的观点。
研读《枫荫的复仇》时的笔记镇楼


IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端1楼2022-03-25 15:45回复
    我从昨天下午两点到今天早上六点,花了16个小时一口气写完了这篇一万九千字的文章(为此我甚至逃了一节外教课)。我当然希望大家能耐心阅读我的每一句话,因为我的确付出了很多心血。不过我承认,我写的东西没什么趣味性。所以你可以挑选你感兴趣的小节看,或者直接看全文结尾的结论。我不是说我的观点都是对的或者定死的。大家完全可以用原文句子和逻辑来反驳我的观点。
      祝大家阅读愉快。


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            IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端8楼2022-03-25 17:43
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              以下是油管上视频The Mapleshade Problem (ft. Moonkitti) | Warrior Cats Chats的文字转写。这个视频的两个主持人,Bright Guardian Akira和Moonkitti,都是国外著名的猫武士up。我发誓我在写我的分析前从来没看过这个视频。但当我今天打开它,从头到尾看完后,我惊讶于我和她们的观点有多么相似。甚至我们引用的文章段落都有不少重合的地方(尽管视频里有一些内容的证明方法和我的证明方法不太一样)。然而,虽然我和视频的内容重合度很高,这里依然有我没涵盖的方面(比如枫荫利用她的孩子这一点),所以我觉得这会是一个很好的补充。这篇文字转写是我自己打的(我省略了与主题内容无关的开头),不过我没有精力翻译了。


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                  有关斑愿的责任问题和见死不救的罪名,我推荐油管上Moonkitti的视频Frecklewish logic。这个视频比较长,比我的文章更详细地分析了斑愿的情况。就当是这篇文章的一个延伸阅读吧。


                  IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端37楼2022-03-30 09:25
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                      前两天Lofter上的一个有关枫荫的讨论让我重新燃起了对枫荫的热情(虽然这个热情一直没消散多少),于是我决定继续为了这一篇小传做点什么。我想到,既然那么多人都拒绝认清这部小说里呈现的事实,那我就把事实指出来给大家看。我的做法是把我当时读《枫荫的复仇》时的稿子翻出来,挑选几页重要的段落,然后给大家展示我在那上面写的笔记。这样一来,读者们便可以看到我在读原著的时候思想是怎么慢慢形成的,了解这篇分析文的读者甚至可以看出我的每条笔记提供的论据出现在了分析文的哪个大段里。希望这能帮人们看清一些出于某些原因而被漏掉的点。
                      我知道我的字不太好认,所以我把它们誊抄了下来。每一页的誊抄内容都是从上到下,我使用的简写首次出现时会在括号里给出全写。页码在右下角。你需要在图片上对照我的原字迹才能看出我评论的是原文的哪句话。
                    P2:
                    Evidence: he cares about his position in RC(RiverClan).
                    Inadvertent!!!
                    Ms(Mapleshade) acknowledges it.
                    He cares about Ms.
                    Infantile thinking
                    →(背面)Infantile optimism. She doesn't consider the possibility that her Clanmates are going to be furious when the truth comes out because that would imply that she is in the WRONG.
                    △believable?
                    What? ridiculous
                    biased judgment
                    P4:
                    Self talking
                    flawed logic Blaming
                    exploitation
                    She is clearly aware that she is exploiting Fw's(Frecklewish's) misinformation, & she concludes it as SC's(StarClan's) doing.
                    She exploits before Fw confirmes her assumption. The order of events is important.
                    P6:
                    emphasizes on TC(ThunderClan). She thinks TC is grateful to her.
                    She wants RC's gratitude as well.
                    WHAT???
                    She leaves out the “grandpa” part. She still doesn't actively lie.
                    Another reminder
                    P11:
                    She asks her own kits to help Patchkit??? What's wrong with her?
                    Ad(Appledusk) is caring about Ms and her kits.
                    A clear warning
                    A second warning
                    P12:这是这一页的背面,因为正面写不下。这一页讲的是乌翅在河边上前质问枫荫。
                    Rw(Ravenwing) “saw” everything. He doesn't specify that he has heard anything. It is Patchkit who reveals that the RC cat was close to them and Ms.
                    He combines telltale details and eye-witnessed evidence to form a totally solid and correct conclusion. His logic was well founded.
                    该页正面最下方,枫荫说“It's not my fault”时还有一句:Ms always deflects the blame to other cats. She never admits.






                    IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端67楼2022-07-12 01:34
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                      P13:
                      Completely responsible, appropriate behaviour.
                      Again, infantile thinking
                      emphasizes TC again
                      He shows compassion and regret to Ms and the kits. He is not cold-hearted.
                      fact
                      She still doesn't let go of her fantasies.
                      P16:
                      The first mention of crossing
                      →(背面)Here she only mentions crossing the river, but not how or why.
                      Ignores the warning.
                      ※Fw couldn't have seen anything clearly.
                      The river is really loud.
                      →(背面)Even the stepping stones are barely visible.
                      She decides to use the stepping stones.
                      Ms refuses to accept the truth and reality.
                      →(背面)Sole explanation of crossing the river now: before it gets dark.
                      →(背面)Her kits know “there's too much water”, yet she doesn't consider the danger.
                      P22:
                      blame
                      →(背面)He did NOT jump to conclusions. Besides, his conclusion was correct!
                      →(背面)How is falling in love with Ad “beyond her control”?
                      →(背面)Nettlepaw has absolutely no idea that the kits drowned in the river. It shows, at least, that Fw did not explicitly announce that she saw Ms's kits drown.
                      →(背面)In a single instant, Ms alters the story. “Saw” doesn't mean she was “watching”. The part that Fw deliberately chose not to help is a creation in Ms's warped interpretation.
                      Fw was probably laughing, because Ms fell. She didn't know about the kits.
                      This was never stated by Np(Nettlepaw). She made that up.
                      Np's story is also incomplete.






                      IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端68楼2022-07-12 01:37
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