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回复:奠基—梦的构筑与梦的解析【近完美剧情逻辑解构】【剧透】

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偶来了,你观察很仔细,我第一次看没有注意L2 C被水淋到,L2下大雨,谢谢提醒,今天特别注意了,完全正确,这个细节完美解释电击F导致L4打雷。
1、不对,我不是说最后一个梦,我说的是C和M一起度过的50年,你说M在L4老死,我说的这个。老死还有个问题,老死能控制2人一起死吗?我就是反驳你C M互为梦主的想法。
2、OK,这个是主观问题,无需讨论。
3、可以接受
4、哈哈,推荐影院观影


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OPEN ENDING没有悬念,肯定没有陀螺倒地的声音,今天陪老婆看第二次IMAX,看完了,很多人都很淡定的坐着等字幕,哈哈,一直到字幕结束,开始再放预告片。
打扫的阿姨表示鸭梨很大。。。。。。


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haha,我支持的是L4不是LIMBO
我对于自己写的 C和M 一章还是蛮有信心的,你就从了我把
o(╯□╰)o


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我写的恐怖游轮的解析你来支持过的,现在又来了,谢谢哦,哈哈
我的博客在时光有


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你啊,看过我的 10循环 完全解析恐怖游轮了嘛
记忆碎片不觉得有什么,一遍看完就OK了,这个比记忆碎片难多了。。。个人认为啊
记忆碎片主要是NOLAN还有点人性,分开了黑白和彩色,这样难度低多了


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这里贴下我好友MAXC同学辛苦努力打字打出来的英文台词,没有翻译:
郑重声明,所有台词来自Maxc,之所以把这些抄过来是为了方便大家阅读,因为我发现很多朋友是对电影台词没弄明白而无法理解剧情和细节,如果你要转载那么请注明住处
(PS:这些是他反复听后,一字一句码出来的,请尊重别人的劳动成果。)
(第一课,Ariadne在Cobb的梦里)
Cobb:Now in a dream,our mind continuously does this.We create and perceive our world simultaneously.And our mind does this so well that we don't even konw it's happening.That allows us to get right into the middle of that process.
Ariadne:How?
Cobb:By taking over the creating part.Now,this is where I need you.You create the world of the dream.We bring the subject into that dream.And they fill it with their subconscious.(or “And they feel it's their subconscious.”)
(第二课,Cobb在Ariadne的梦里)
Ariadne:Who are the people?
Cobb:Projections of my subconscious.
Ariadne:Yours?
Cobb:Yes.Remember,you are the dreamer.You built this world.I am the subject,my mind populates it.
......
Ariadne:Why are they all looking at me?
Cobb:Cause my subconscious feels that someone else is creating this world.The More you change things,the quicker the projections start to converge them.
Ariadne:Converge?
Cobb:It sense the foreign nature of the dreamer.They attack like white bloodcells fighting an infection.
Ariadne:Are they going to attack us?
Cobb:No.Just you.
......
Cobb:It's my subconscious.Remember,I can't control it.
(第三课,Ariadne在Arthur的梦里)
Arthur:But they have to be complicated enough that we can hide from the projection.
Ariadne:A maze.
Arthur:Right,a maze.And the better the maze...
Ariadne:Then the longer we have before the projections catch us?
Arthur:Exactly.
Ariadne:My subconscious seems quiet enough.
Arthur:You wait till it turns ugly.No one likes to feel someone else is messing around with their mind.
(Saito把航空公司买了)
Saito:It seem little.
(在L1吵架,Ariadne问掉进Limbo要多久才能出来)
Yusuf:I can't even think about trying to escape until the sedation is ease...
(L1吵架的时候)
Cobb:This is a way out.Alright,we continue on with the job and we do this as fast as possible,and we get out using the kick.Just like before.
......
Cobb:Ten hours of flight time is a week this level.That means each and every one of us will be killed.That I can guarantee.We have no other choice but to continue on and do it as fast as possible.Downwards is the only way forwards.
(L1审问Fischer之前的对白)
Cobb:You're on.We've got an hour.
Eames:An hour?I was supposed to have all night to practice.
Cobb:Saito wasn't supposed to be shot in the chest.We got one hour,now get something useful,please.
(L1中Ariadne与Cobb单独对话)
Ariadne:When were you in Limbo?
Ariadne:You might have the rest of the team convinced to carry on with this job but they don't know the truth.
Cobb:Truth?What truth?
Ariadne:The truth that at any minute,you might bring a freight train through the wall.The truth that Mal is bursting through your subconscious.And the truth that as we go deeper into Fischer we're also going deeper into you.And I...I'm not sure we're gonna like what we find.



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Cobb:We were working together.We were exploring the concept of a dream within a dream.I kept pushing things.I wanted to go deeper and deeper.I wanted to go further.I just didn't understand the concept that hours could turn into years down there.That we could get trapped so deep.That when we wind up on the shore of our subconscious we lost side of what was real.We created.We built a world for ourselves.We did that for years.We got our own world.
Ariadne:How long were you stuck there?
Cobb:Something like fifty years.
Ariadne:Jesus.How could you stand it?
Cobb:It wasn't so bad at first.Feeling like gods.The problem was that I knew that none of that was real.Eventually,it has became impossible for me to live like that.
Ariadne:And what about for her.
Cobb:Sha has locked something away.Something deep inside to her.The truth that she once known.But,she chose to forget.Limbo became her reality.
Ariadne:What happened when you woke up?
Cobb:Well,to wake up from that after...after years...after decades,to become old souls thrown back into youth like that.I knew sonething was wrong with her.She just wouldn't admit it.Eventually,she told me the truth.She was possessed by an idea.This one,very simple idea that changed everything.That "our world wasn't real"......
(去L2前在Van中讲话)
Arthur:What about his security?It's gonna get worse as we go deeper.
......
Arthur:Don't jump too soon.We only have one shot at that kick you're gonna make.
(Arthur正在491天花板安装炸药,和Ariadne对话)
Arthur:While you're all asleep in 528,I'll wait for Yusuf's kick.
Ariadne:How will you know?
Arthur:His music warns me.And then when the van hits the barrier of the bridge,that should be unmistakable.So we get a nice synchronized kick.
Arthur:If it's too soon,we won't get pulled out.
Arthur:If it's too late,I won't be able to drop us.
Ariadne:Why not?
Arthur:Because of the van that will be in free fall.Can't drop you without gravity.
(Van冲出桥栏,L3雪崩后)
Eames:Cobb,did we miss it?
Cobb:Yeah,we missed it.
......
Eames:What next kick?
Cobb:When the van hits the water.
(Fischer中枪,Eames赶到后)
Eames:What happened?
Ariadne:Mal killed Fischer.
Cobb:I couldn't shoot her.
Cobb:But there's no use in reviving him,his mind's already trapped down there.
Cobb:It's all over.
Eames:So that's it?Then we failed?
Cobb:We're done.I'm sorry.
Eames:Well,it's not me who's gonna get back to my family,is it?
Eames:It's a shame,I really want to know what's gonna happen in there.I swear we have this one...
Cobb:Let's set the charges.
Ariadne:No,there's still another way.
Ariadne:We just have to follow Fischer down there.
Eames:We don't have time.
Ariadne:No,but that will be enough time down there.And we will find him.
Ariadne:OK,as soon as Arthur's music kicks in,just use the defibrillator to revive him.
Ariadne:We can give him his own kick down below.
Ariadne:Look,you get him in there.As soon as the music ends,you blow up the hospital.
Ariadne:And we all ride the kick back up the layers.
Eames:That's worth a shot.And Saito can hold the guardsout while I set the charges.
Cobb:Saito will never make it,Eames.
Ariadne:Cobb,come on!We've got to try this.
Eames:Let's go!
Eames:If you're not back for the kick while,I will xxxxxxxxx(听不到).
Cobb:She's right.
Ariadne:Can I trust you to do what's gonna happen there?I mean Mal's gonna be down there.
Cobb:I know where to find her.She'll have Fischer.
Ariadne:How do you know?
Cobb:Because she wants me to come after her,she wants me back down there with her.
(Cobb和Ariadne在岸边)
Cobb:All right?
Ariadne:This is your world?
Cobb:Was.
Cobb:This is where she'll be.Come on.
......
Ariadne:You built all these?This is incredible.
Cobb:We built for years.We started in on the memories.
(Mal说出Fischer在外面)
Cobb:Go check if he's alive,Ariadne.
limbo里的对话:
最开头:
Saito:Are you here to kill me?
Saito:I konw what this is.I've seen one before.Many many years ago.It belonged to a man I met in a half-remembered dream.A man possessed of some radical notions.
......
最后:
Saito:Are you come to kill me?
Saito:I'm waiting for someone.
Cobb:Someone from my half-remembered dream.
Saito:Cobb.Impossible.We were young men together.I'm an old man.
Cobb:Filled with regret.
Saito:Waiting to die alone.
Cobb:I've come back for you.To remind you of something.Something you once knew.That this world is not real.
Saito:To convince me to honor our arrangement?
Cobb:To take a leap of faith,yes.
Cobb:Come back,so we can be young man together again.Come back with me.Come back
Cobb在飞机睁开眼......


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这里我早就说了,如果L4是C的梦境,那整个C的梦境都是他按照记忆构建的世界,这里也是C在LIMBO的记忆,所以这样去理解这段台词一点问题没有的。
整个LIMBO的世界确实是他们2人建筑的,但是这个梦境是C通过造梦机建筑的,是复制。
这些台词都是我朋友在我的博客贴的,没有全部的台词,他写了的我都贴了。
我的博客在时光网,这里贴网址好像显示不出来,你去搜 DOMI 就可以了


2026-01-26 19:49:25
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你的很多想法,如L4是哪里,都与我不一致,所以无法回复你


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谢谢,但是我有个字母 名称 对照表啊,你说的这点也有朋友提出过,我偷懒了,SORRY啊


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今天看的第二遍,主要是和朋友讨论,我下了个枪版,细节的地方我也用枪版验证了。
不过恐怖游轮我只看了一遍,呵呵,这个我自觉比较满意


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我的文章是猜测的一种,L4是C的梦境,C是死亡后进入LIMBO的,死亡的可能性有很多种,我列举了


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为什么攻击C和A1,那是C和A1首先攻击了PROJECTION武装,让他们知道了C和A1是一伙的,而且C自己搞了个火车,暴露了自己。
M是专门给C找麻烦的。
图腾我在原文写了,错误的想法也有解释。
你说的那另一群人是C告诉E,S不是公司追杀他的人,S是另一群人。


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。。。。。。
按你的说法,世上绝无科幻片,只能由生活片。


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你说的同一秒也许只是L1的时间观念,而到L2 L3就按时间倍数放大了,所以同步KICK没有想象中困难。
最开始不是同步KICK,后面的是。
L4是不是LIMBO还在讨论。
同意植物人。


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