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关于George S. Rossanoy在解释full-rotation用来当例子2019gpf中4S,Yuzu 与NC相同的GOE,关于这一点其实还有很多可以探讨的,我摘录birdie02的文章做说明,网址如下
https://www.tumgir.com/birdie02
here’s a comparison between a 4S by Yuzu and the same jump by Nathan.Both were performed this past week at GPF and received the same GOE of +4.16 bythe same panel of judges.
Yuzu 与NC在2019GPF中4S都拿到了GOE of +4.16,我们来比较一下两者当时的跳跃衔接



143楼2021-05-20 12:04
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    In this instance, Nathan utilizes a quick couple of crossovers to gethim prepared for the jump whereas Yuzu opts for none, instead including somefootwork that I don’t have the eyeballs to name one-by-one; but hey, I don’teven have to for you to know that it’s not some trivial business.
    NC在跳跃前只有crossovers,Yuzu则是做了许多步法(作者没说甚么种类的,因为Yuzu的步法让他看的眼花撩乱,我自己也只认出大一字、转三)
    关于crossover,real-x-monster的博主写了这一篇文章:
    https://the-real-xmonster.tulr.com/post/169523661139/i-saw-a-video-comparing-eight-of-the-top-skaters
    总之crossover就是个最基础且没难度的动作,如果一个节目含大量的crossover,显示了该选手的滑冰技巧不好。节录文章片段:
    Anyway, because crossover is so basic, it doesn’t add anything to thelevel of difficulty in a program. While doing crossovers, the skater moves ontwo feet without any change of edge, or curve, or direction, so it doesn’tshow, or indeed requires, any skating skills. Having tons of crossovers in yourprogram shows one of two things: either you are unable to perform moredifficult turns and steps, or you are not interested in doing so. Also, if youhave to rely excessively on crossovers to gain speed, it means your stroke andyour knee action are not effective enough (Not all crossovers are createdequal. As you watch more skating you will see that there are skaters who cancover the entire width of the rink within a couple of strokes, and then thereare skaters who don’t do so well). Overall, a large number of crossovers isindicative of weak skating skills, weak transitions, and general lack ofinvestment in choreography/composition.


    144楼2021-05-20 12:05
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      (Also note how Yuzu refuses to put his free leg down afterward. Insteadhe lets it swing like he’s a fragile little leaf, floating along in the autumnwind. Sorry, I’m getting distracted.)
      两者在跳跃结束后,NC马上把他的free leg放至冰面,Yuzu则是轻轻悬在空中,营造出秋日中叶片在秋风中微微摆动的样子。(其实这段除了作者所说的跳跃之美感外,跳跃结束后free leg没有马上放置冰面,也显现出了Yuzu对跳跃起跳到落地平衡的精准掌控度。)
      You can spot their styles pretty consistently across all their programs:Yuzu likes his components, Nathan likes his jumps. It’s pointless to arguewhich one is “better,” but by giving these two jumps the same GOE, the judgesare saying that good components aren’t necessary to get a good score. Which isan interesting perspective, given that they’re a part of the rubric.
      裁判的打分说明了他们不认为跳跃加上好的衔接视需要且可拿到加分的。
      Imagine you took a math test and your deskmate got full points for a questionthat he only showed half the work for and wrote down a random answer.
      Do you blame your deskmate for not knowing the answer?
      作者当时回答说要怪老师而不是同学,那现在看了很就不算分说,是否还会坚持原来的答案呢?


      145楼2021-05-20 12:06
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        结合以上的文章
        1. George S. Rossano说Yuzu的pre-rotation是最少的,也就是NC的4S在旋转的周数上没有Yuzu足,在规则允许的范围之内NC的pre-rotation比Yuzu多,跳跃的前后衔接也不如Yuzu,两者4S的GOE竟然一样,真的是令人吐血
        2. Yuzu的pre-rotation是最少的原因除了George S. Rossano在文中提到的观察外,real-x-monster的博主在2017WC就有分析NC的4S是采A型起跳,Yuzu则是采B型起跳,后者的技术可以将pre-rotation控制在最小范围内。
        所谓A型起跳、B型起跳可不是real-x-monster博主的一家之言,附上以下滑冰学校icoachskating的Salchow Take-Off技术分析,里面也有提到B型起跳会获得较大的跳跃动力。
        https://icoachskating.com/comparing-salchow-take-off-techniques-nick-perna/
        顺带一提,icoachskating因为是滑冰学校,对于技术有更深入的解析,如果有在学滑冰的人,可以去看看。

        3. birdie02则是分析两者4S衔接,就算不懂规则的人,也可看出Yuzu的衔接比NC多,跳跃落地后的自由腿也可看出Yuzu的跳跃平衡优于NC。
        题外话,写4S衔接的作者看了这场比赛后对打分制度很失望,后来只更新twi,再也没更新部落格了。


        146楼2021-05-20 12:56
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          2019gpf的打分本身就是个笑话,除了4S外,字母站柚子黄熊牛牛做了同场4LZ对比,网址如下,从跳跃进入、pre-rotation、跳跃轴、高远度,Yuzu都吊打NC,但是前者GOE3.94,后者4.27,比4S的打分更夸张。
          https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vp4y1S76b/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1
          不过回头看这场比赛,只觉得现在打分更夸张,2021WC真的很气人…


          147楼2021-05-20 13:13
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            当初发现Alice停更部落格时有些小伤心,虽然他的文章我到现在还没爬完。
            在爬文的过程中,Alice提到他有一位朋友Chibura,同样也是花滑技术大佬,下图是他的twi,对花滑技术有兴趣的可以去翻翻看。


            149楼2021-06-23 18:56
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              接下来要说的是在哪里可以找到英文的花滑术语,毕竟花滑源自于海外,很多动作英翻中后的版本很多,常让人一头雾水。
              以下两个是正经(无趣)版的,两者可互相参照
              GLOSSARY OF TERMINOLOGY
              http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/resources/glossary/glossary.htm
              前面提到过的iceskating网站的花滑术语列表
              Glossary of figureskating terms
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_figure_skating_terms#top
              英语维基的花滑术语列表,有的词右键单击搜寻可找到较详细解释页面,我比较困惑的是为甚么Lunge还没建立页面。
              其实维基的花滑术语列表有个缺点,那就是用的图片例子以欧美选手居多,选用的图片较旧,不过牛哥的 hydroblading 和贝尔曼旋转是真的太经典了,所以后来有收录。


              150楼2021-06-23 18:58
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                “the Great Glittering Glossary”
                https://planethanyu.com/wiki/main/%C2%B0%CB%96%E2%9C%A7%E2%97%9D-the-great-glittering-glossary-%E2%97%9C%E2%9C%A7%CB%96%C2%B0-r12/
                这是Planet Hanyu 编的闪亮亮花滑术语表+ 牛哥专有(有趣)名词大全
                这个版本的术语表有个优点,我用Besti Squat 举例
                Besti Squat翻译的版本很多,比如螃蟹步、蟹步、深蹲、蹲马步…
                实际上Besti Squat取自于Natalia Bestemianova的名字,不过光看名字应该不知道她是谁,看英语维基只会知道她是大鹅的前冰舞选手
                在Planet Hanyu的术语表中则会提到Natalia Bestemianova当初与他的老公及搭档帮小柚子修编了悲怆和小罗朱,还附加编修过程的影片链接;除此之外还会提到牛哥甚么时候会做Besti Squat。


                151楼2021-06-23 19:01
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                  题外话,SOI 可以称为 Shirt On Ice
                  FaOI 在某种程度上又可称为 HaOI (Hanyu On Ice)
                  不知 DOI 又可以称为甚么?


                  153楼2021-06-23 19:23
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                    牛哥的英语维基这阵子大修,除了主页面外,还有另外两个子页面,分别为奥运赛季及语录,这里附上所有连结
                    YuzuruHanyu
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzuru_Hanyu
                    主页面,列为GoodArticle!
                    Yuzuru Hanyu Olympics seasons
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzuru_Hanyu_Olympics_seasons
                    子页面,获得了精选列表状态!
                    Yuzuru Hanyu wikiquote
                    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yuzuru_Hanyu
                    子页面,牛语录~


                    154楼2021-06-24 23:27
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                      Alice的部落格一开始我就提过了,Chibura的技术集我附截图如下


                      156楼2021-07-13 16:45
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