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给二战的美国陆军洗地


1楼2017-11-14 21:13回复
    二战结束时美军1200万,其中海军300万,陆航287万,其余600多万属于苏德概念上的陆军。
    但600多万人的美国陆军,作战师只有89个,步兵师满编1.4万人,装甲师满编1.1万
    一些吧友的言论,看似正确 其实有一些误区


    2楼2017-11-14 21:14
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      在二战结束以后 1200万美军中 抛去海军 海军陆战队 陆军航空兵
      剩下5 6百万都是陆军作战部队和辅助部队,变成89或91个师(2中说法) 平均每个师达到6万人,于是得出美国陆军作战部队非常臃肿,看似正确 其实这是个误区。


      3楼2017-11-14 21:41
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        大量陆军 军事人员不可能在一线部队服役,而是在国内驻守 比如预备役 训练部队 文职 机关院校等
        还比如某国的文工团 篮球队 更是不可能编制到陆军野战军里


        4楼2017-11-14 21:47
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          那么正确的打开方式
          由于不能截图,只能文字叙述
          1945 5月 美军陆军在西欧的兵力情况 不包括地中海战区
          总计3,021,483 美国陆军在西欧执行作战任务或者驻守
          其中2,639,377在西欧 382,106在英国本土
          其中陆军航空兵 442,155
          陆军作战部队1,703,613
          服务部队 580,497
          其他 主要是伤员和补充兵 295,218


          5楼2017-11-14 21:53
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            西欧 60个师 对应大约170万陆军作战部队
            平均每个师不到3万
            比较德军
            巴巴罗萨德军153个师 330万 此时德军处于满员状态
            堡垒行动 4装集 22.4万 10个师 基本满员
            差不多 平均每个师2.1-2.3万之间
            美军是平均2.8万人一个师 因为美军在45.2以后伤亡不大 补充的很到位 按满员算
            看似美军比德军臃肿一些 其实不然。


            6楼2017-11-14 22:00
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              美军陆军有大量独立作战和辅助部队,虽然德军和毛子也有 但是数量无法相提并论
              德军和苏军的独立作战部队和辅助部队 可以参照格兰次大爷和猪食喂的书,因为都是大陆货各位自己找吧,
              那么贴一下美军1个集团军群的独立作战部队数量,自行机译


              7楼2017-11-14 22:03
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                15th Army Group [ of AFHQ, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                - Fifth Army (American)
                - Eighth Army (British)
                - 8th Anti-Aircraft Brigade
                - 62nd Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 22nd Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 31st Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-2bty]
                - 568th Searchlight Battery [-1trp]
                - 48th Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                - 66th Anti-Aircraft Brigade
                - 59th Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 12th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 13th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 29th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 535th Searchlight Battery [-1sec]
                - 52nd Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                - 55th Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                - Number 1 Field Radar Operations Group
                - 54th Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                Fifth Army (American) [ of 15th Army Group, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                - II Corps (American)
                - IV Corps (American)
                - 85th Infantry Division (American)
                - 92nd Infantry Division (American)
                - Fifth Army Artillery
                - 630th Automatic Weapons Battalion
                - Fifth Army Engineer Headquarters
                - 1338th Engineer Combat Group
                - 169th Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 182nd Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 185th Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 1168th Engineer Combat Group
                - 92nd Engineer General Service Regiment
                - 175th Engineer General Service Regiment
                - 224th Engineer General Service Regiment
                - 226th Engineer General Service Regiment
                - 1554th Engineer Heavy Pontoon Battalion
                II Corps (American) [ of Fifth Army, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                - 6th South African Armoured Division
                - 34th Infantry Division (American)
                - 88th Infantry Division (American)
                - 91st Infantry Division (American)
                - Legnano Combat Group (Italian)
                - 91st Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron
                - 752nd Tank Battalion
                - 757th Tank Battalion
                - 804th Tank Destroyer Battalion
                - 805th Tank Destroyer Battalion
                - II Corps Artillery
                - 15th Observation Battalion
                - 178th Field Artillery Group
                - 248th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 527th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 765th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 12th Battery, 54th [Brit] Super Heavy Regiment
                - A Battery, 530th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 77th Field Artillery Group
                - 173rd Field Artillery Battalion
                - 631st Field Artillery Battalion
                - 936th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 423rd Field Artillery Group
                - 178th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 536th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 985th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 11th Battery, 54th [Brit] Super Heavy Regiment
                - 71st Anti-Aircraft Brigade
                - 209th Anti-Aircraft Group
                - 401st Gun Battalion
                - 403rd Gun Battalion
                - 105th Automatic Weapons Battalion (Self-Propelled)
                - 432nd Automatic Weapons Battalion (Self-Propelled)
                - B Battery, 360th Searchlight Battalion
                - II Corps Engineers
                - 19th Engineer Combat Group
                - 401st Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 402nd Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 39th Engineer Combat Group
                - 404th Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 643rd Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 1755th Engineer Treadway Bridge Company
                IV Corps (American) [ of Fifth Army, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                - 1st Armored Division (American)
                - 1st Infantry Division, Brazilian Expeditionary Force
                - 10th Mountain Infantry Division (American)
                - 679th Tank Destroyer Battalion
                - 701st Tank Destroyer Battalion
                - 751st Tank Battalion
                - 760th Tank Battalion
                - 894th Tank Destroyer Battalion
                - IV Corps Artillery
                - 7th Army Group Royal Artillery
                - 178th Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                - 2nd Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                - 253rd Battery, 17th Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                - 8th Survey Regiment [-1bty,-1trp]
                - 26th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                - 53rd Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                - 424th Field Artillery Group
                - 633rd Field Artillery Battalion
                - 403rd Field Artillery Battalion
                - 328th Field Artillery Battalion
                - 910th Field Artillery Battalion
                - C Battery, 360th Searchlight Battalion
                - II Corps Engineers
                - 1108th Engineer Combat Group
                - 235th Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 255th Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 337th Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 23rd Italian Engineer Combat Battalion
                - 1029th Engineer Treadway Bridge Company


                8楼2017-11-14 22:03
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                  Eighth Army (British) [ of 15th Army Group, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                  - 2 Polish Corps
                  - V Corps (British)
                  - X Corps (British)
                  - XIII Corps (British)
                  - 6th British Armoured Division
                  - 2nd Independent Parachute Brigade Group (British)
                  - 12th Royal Lancers (Prince of Wales)
                  - 7th Queen's Own Hussars
                  - 1st Special Demolition Squadron (Popski's Private Army)
                  - 10th Battalion, The Rifle Brigade
                  - F Reconnaissance Squadron (Italian)
                  - Royal Artillery
                  - A Field Radar Regiment
                  - 8th Survey Regiment [1trp]
                  - 2nd Calibration Troop
                  - A Special Calibration Section
                  - 12th Anti-Aircraft Brigade
                  - 8th Polish Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 55th Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 57th Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [1bty]
                  - 7th Polish Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 14th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 30th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 53rd Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 3rd Carpathian Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment [1bty]
                  - 5th Kresowa Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment [1bty]
                  - 23rd Battery, 7th Italian Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 49th Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                  - 831st Italian Searchlight Platoon
                  - Royal Engineers
                  - 25th Armoured Engineer Brigade
                  - 51st Royal Tank Regiment
                  - 1st Armoured Engineer Regiment [u/c V Corps]
                  - 2nd Armoured Engineer Regiment
                  - 170th Chief Engineer Works
                  - 1st Canadian Drilling Company
                  - 82nd Workshop and Park Company [-4sec]
                  - 16th Army Group Royal Engineers
                  - 25th Road Construction Company, South African Engineer Corps
                  - 173rd Army Field Park Company
                  - 21st General Headquarters Troops
                  - 228th Field Company
                  - 562nd Field Company
                  - 579th Field Company
                  - 1210th General Headquarters Troops
                  - 102nd Field Company
                  - 107th Field Company
                  - 754th Field Company
                  - 466th Indian Corps Troops, Indian Engineers
                  - 1st Field Company
                  - 14th Field Company
                  - 97th Field Company
                  - 301st Field Corps Park Company
                  - 20th Army Group Royal Engineers (Airfields)
                  - 14th Airfield Construction Group
                  - 15th Airfield Construction Group
                  - 69th Airfield Construction Group
                  - 24th Army Group Royal Engineers
                  - Commander Royal Engineer Roads
                  - South African Engineer Corps
                  - 21st Field Company, South African Engineer Corps
                  - 27th Road Construction Company, Royal Engineers
                  - 803rd Road Construction Company, Royal Engineers
                  - 857th Quarrying Company, Royal Engineers
                  - 156th Commander Royal Engineer Works
                  - 567th Army Troops Company
                  - 288th Works Section
                  - 291st Works Section
                  - 171st Tunneling Company
                  - 567th Army Troops Company (Palestinian)
                  - 1st Camouflage Company (Palestinian)
                  - 41st Harbour Construction Company, South African Engineer Corps [-1sec]
                  - Headquarters Oil Storage and Pipeline Construction Group
                  - 723rd Artisan Works Company
                  - 1st Pipeline Operation and Maintenance Unit
                  - 2nd Pipeline Operation and Maintenance Unit
                  - 36th Works Company, South African Engineer Corps
                  - 863rd Mechanical Equipment Company
                  - 139th Mechanical Equipment Company
                  - 86th (Army) Area
                  - 1st Armoured Delivery Regiment
                  - 200th Armoured Delivery Regiment
                  2 Polish Corps [ of Eighth Army, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                  - 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division
                  - 5th Kresowa Infantry Division
                  - Artillery
                  - 1st Polish Survey Regiment
                  - 7th Polish Anti-Tank Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 663rd Polish Air OP Squadron
                  - 567th Searchlight Battery [-1trp]
                  - 8th Polish Heavy Anti-Aircraft Artillery [1bty]
                  - Army Group Polish Artillery
                  - 10th Polish Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 11th Polish Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                  - 12th Polish Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                  - 13th Polish Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 78th [Brit] Medium Regiment (5.5in) *
                  - 9th Polish Medium Regiment (Mixed)
                  - 10th Engineering Battalion *
                  - 11th Signals Battalion *
                  V Corps (British) [ of Eighth Army, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                  - 8th Indian Infantry Division
                  - 56th Infantry Division (British)
                  - 78th Infantry Division (British)
                  - Cremona Combat Group (Italian)
                  - Royal Artillery
                  - 54th Super Heavy Regiment [-2bty]
                  - 5th Survey Regiment
                  - 57th Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 52nd Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 651st Air OP Squadron
                  - 654th Air OP Squadron
                  - 323rd Searchlight Battery
                  - 17th Field Regiment [1bty]
                  - 57th Anti-Tank Regiment [1bty]
                  - 55th Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [1bty]
                  - 1st Army Group, Royal Artillery
                  - 4th Medium Regiment (5.5in) [-1sec]
                  - 26th Medium Regiment (4.5in) [-1trp]
                  - 58th Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 70th Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                  - 80th Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 75th Heavy Regiment (Mixed)
                  - 125th Meteorological Section
                  - 2nd Army Group, Royal Artillery
                  - 5th Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 73rd Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                  - 74th Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 76th Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                  - 102nd Medium Regiment (5.5in)
                  - 61st Heavy Regiment (Mixed)
                  - 127th Meteorological Section
                  - Royal Engineers
                  - V Corps Troops, Royal Engineers
                  - 42nd Field Company
                  - 564th Field Company
                  - 565th Field Company
                  - 751st Field Company
                  - 215th Corps Field Park Company
                  - 22nd Mechanical Equipment Platoon
                  - 586th Army Field Company
                  - 85th Company, South African Engineer Corps (Camouflage) [1det]
                  - 22nd Army Group, Royal Engineers
                  - Headquarters Eighth Army Troops, Royal Engineers
                  - 561st Army Field Company
                  - 587th Army Field Company
                  - 585th Army Field Company
                  - Headquarters South African Corps Troops, South African Engineer Corps
                  - 1st Field Company
                  - 11th Field Company
                  - 13th Field Company
                  - 22nd Field Company
                  - 31st Road Construction Company
                  - 1st Armoured Engineer Regiment (ex 25th Armoured Engineer Brigade)
                  - 3rd Field Regiment
                  - 52nd Field Regiment
                  - 53rd Field Regiment
                  - 64th Field Regiment
                  - 24th Field Regiment (Self-Propelled)
                  - 4th Mahratta Anti-Tank Regiment
                  - Indian Engineers
                  - 7th Field Company
                  - 66th Field Company
                  - 69th Field Company
                  - 47th Field Park Company
                  X Corps (British) [ of Eighth Army, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                  - Jewish Infantry Brigade Group
                  - Friuli Combat Group (Italian)
                  - Royal Artillery
                  - 2nd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery
                  - 200th Field Regiment
                  - 75th Medium Regiment
                  - 57th Anti-Tank Regiment
                  - 1st Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [1bty]
                  - 567th Searchlight Battery [1trp]
                  - 655th Air OP Squadron [1flt]
                  - Royal Engineers
                  - X Corps Troops, Royal Engineers
                  - 242nd Field Company
                  - 558th Field Company
                  - 258th Corps Field Park Company
                  - 8th Battalion, The Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
                  XIII Corps (British) [ of Eighth Army, 9 Apr 1945 ]
                  - 2nd New Zealand Infantry Division
                  - 10th Indian Infantry Division
                  - Folgore Combat Group (Italian)
                  - Royal Artillery
                  - 3rd Survey Regiment
                  - 655th Air OP Squadron [-1flt]
                  - 57th Field Regiment [1bty,1trp]
                  - 6th Army Group, Royal Artillery
                  - 66th Medium Regiment (4.5in)
                  - 75th Heavy Regiment (Mixed) [2sec]
                  - 126th Meteorological Section
                  - 2nd Anti-Aircraft Brigade
                  - 1st Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 51st Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 11th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 51st Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment
                  - 53rd Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment [-1bty]
                  - 47th Anti-Aircraft Operations Room
                  - Royal Engineers
                  - XIII Corps Troops, Royal Engineers
                  - 56th Field Company
                  - 577th Army Field Company
                  - 578th Army Field Company
                  - 576th Corps Field Park Company


                  9楼2017-11-14 22:04
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                    为啥美国陆军自己都不洗,要劳烦不相干的外国人替其洗??


                    IP属地:上海14楼2017-11-14 23:10
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                      美军陆军野战部队 分4大类
                      地面作战部队 陆航 辅助部队 其他(主要是伤病和补充兵)
                      我们通常抛去陆航的人数
                      而在本土有大量训练人员 预备役 机关院校 文职等陆军人员,这些人压根就不是野战部队的人,而一些人总是把这些人算到野战部队的头上


                      17楼2017-11-14 23:49
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                        战争打的就是后勤,谁后勤强,谁就能获得最终胜利。


                        来自手机贴吧18楼2017-11-15 00:06
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                          二战时候的美国陆军由三个独立单元构成:美国陆军地面部队,美国陆军航空部队,美国陆军服务部队。各单元再细分为兵种、兵科。陆军航空部队司令官阿诺德与陆军参谋长马歇尔共同出席参谋长联席会议,陆军参谋长只是陆军地面部队和陆军服务部队的代理,不插手陆军航空部队事务。陆军航空部队有自己的参谋部,已脱离了总参谋部。


                          来自手机贴吧19楼2017-11-15 00:13
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                            1942年战争部与陆军重组行政命令实施后,美国陆军分为三个相对独立单元:陆军地面部队,陆军航空部队,陆军供应兵种群(1943年改名为陆军服务部队)。地面兵种,包括传统的步兵、骑兵、野战炮兵、海岸炮兵,以及新建的装甲兵、空降兵、防空兵、坦克歼击兵等全部由陆军地面部队接管。陆军航空兵撤销,被陆军航空部队取代。陆军航空部队单独设航空参谋部,脱离总参谋部。陆军航空部队司令官一开始就定为上将岗位,陆军地面部队司令官直到1945年史迪威上任才从中将升级到上将,陆军服务部队司令官一直是中将岗位。参谋长联席会议陆军占两席,陆军参谋长代表陆军地面部队和陆军服务部队,陆军航空部队司令官代表陆军航空部队。


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