It's rather amazing how, the same topic, when discussed by different groups of people, end up very differently. In the past discussions I had (elsewhere, of course), the outcomes are usually neutral, if not positive. But here, all people want to do is diss each other. I do acknowledge that the content of my first post does provoke some form of annoyance (and I do apologize for it; it was for the sake of people speaking out sometime this century), but trust me, if I did that elsewhere, the results would still be different. Now, finally, I have to force myself to come to the conclusion that I no longer expect to enjoy any type of intelligent conversation here.