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最近查资料,发现嘻哈诞生的早期,跟朋克也有很深的渊源

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之前一直就觉得这两种音乐很类似,都是入门门槛很低,很叛逆,很地下,很diy的音乐,也都是比较的叛逆,反建制,大胆又尖锐,受到底层青年所喜爱的音乐,最近好奇查了下资料,发现早期七十年代末跟八十年代初那段时间,嘻哈跟朋克的渊源还挺深的,就比如当时的朋克运动掀起了叛逆的diy音乐风潮,也促成了嘻哈的兴起,尤其是朋克与嘻哈这两大音乐流派都是诞生于纽约这座城市的。最令我感动的是,在早期朋克和嘻哈都不太能被主流社会接受的时候,反而是这两个社区的群体能够互相接受,互相欣赏,虽然他们一边是白人,一边是黑人


IP属地:广西1楼2024-09-05 16:28回复
    When looking at the start of hip-hop, some genres you may think of that played a role in its sound are genres like soul, funk, jazz and even disco. However, one genre that played a large role in the start of hip-hop that has been somewhat forgotten is punk rock.
    When looking at the start of these two genres merging we must first look to New York at that time. New York during the 70s saw a massive punk rock movement. This took place in places like CBGB’s with bands starting there like The Ramones, Blondie and Talking Heads. But also around that same time in 1974 DJ Kool Herc had created hip-hop in the Bronx. With the creation of hip-hop one of the things that came along with it (as well as being a massive part of the movement) was graffiti art.
    Many of these graffiti artists started to gain some traction and a new young scene of artists was starting to take over. Some members of this movement were artists like Keith Haring, Futura 2000, Jean-Michel Basquiat and Fab Five Freddy. The most important man for the merging of hip-hop and punk is Fab Five Freddy and he almost deserves an article all for himself.
    Fab Five Freddy was a massive hip-hop fan who grew up in Brooklyn and would become a regular of a downtown art scene for graffiti artists. When mingling with this crowd he would introduce artists like Keith Haring to new Hip-Hop DJ’s like Afrika Bambaataa where he would start to DJ parties for Haring. In Bambaataa’s words he stated that the downtown punk scene would be on of the first areas that really embraced hip-hop. More DJ’s would start to DJ downtown like Grandmaster Flash and NYU punk kids started to love it.
    Around this time Fab Five Freddy would meet Debbie Harry and Chris Stein of Blondie and introduce them to this new genre starting up. After seeing Grandmaster Flash DJ and groups like Funky Four Plus One perform Blondie loved it. They loved it so much they decided to make the song “Rapture” in 1981 where Fab Five Freddy and Grandmaster Flash were forever immortalized with the line ” Fab Five Freddy told me everybody’s fly, DJ spinnin’ I said my my, Flash is fast Flash is cool”. Rapture was a massive hit and was actually the first ever song with a rap verse to go number one (The video also had a young Jean-Michel Basquiat act as Grandmaster Flash on turntables). This song was also apart of one of the songs that got me into Hip-Hop “The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel” when Grandmaster Flash used his shoutout for the intro. Debbie Harry would also host SNL in 1981 and the musical guest she picked to play was Funky Four Plus One (the group they first saw rap) which became the first hip-op act to perform on national television.
    Another group that would fall in love with the new genre and embrace it was punk rock group The Clash. The Clash came to New York around this time and started to love hip-hop so when they did a 8-night run of shows in New York they chose Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five to open for them. Apparently the fans did not enjoy it and Joe Strummer would have come out and get angry at the crowd. The Clash would also release a Hip-Hop/disco inspired song called “The Magnificent Seven” which gained significant play from Hip-Hop DJ’s at the time and actually predated Blondie’s “Rapture”.
    This merge of the two genres would cause many significant artists to start their careers. For example Beastie Boys first started out as a punk group and would then move to hip-hop. Chuck D of Public Enemy stated that The Clash song “Magnificent Seven” heavily inspired him to take a more punk rap approach to Hip-Hop. Groups like Rage Against the Machine would also dawn a punk rap image.
    Punk and hip-hop together made perfect sense due to both genres having an underground feel and both having an anti-establishment outlook. Many artists for generations after would take on the punk rap aesthetic and the merge would even remain to this day with many new artists having a very punk rap feel like JPEGMafia, Denzel Curry, Playboi Carti, Death Grips and many more.


    IP属地:广西2楼2024-09-05 16:28
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      当你看到嘻哈音乐的起源时,你可能会想到的一些在其声音中发挥作用的流派是灵魂乐、放克乐、爵士乐甚至迪斯科。然而,朋克摇滚在嘻哈音乐的起源中发挥了重要作用,但有一种流派已经被遗忘了。
      当看到这两种流派融合的开始时,我们必须首先看看当时的纽约。70年代的纽约见证了一场大规模的朋克摇滚运动。这发生在像CBGB这样的地方,乐队从那里开始,如The Ramones、Blondie和Talking Heads。但大约在1974年的同一时间,DJ Kool Herc在布朗克斯创造了嘻哈音乐。随着嘻哈音乐的诞生,涂鸦艺术也随之而来(同时也是该运动的重要组成部分)。
      许多涂鸦艺术家开始获得一些吸引力,一个新的年轻艺术家群体开始接管。这场运动的一些成员是Keith Haring、Futura 2000、Jean-Michel Basquiat和Fab Five Freddy等艺术家。嘻哈和朋克融合的最重要人物是Fab Five Freddy,他几乎值得为自己写一篇文章。
      Fab Five Freddy是一位在布鲁克林长大的嘻哈迷,他将成为涂鸦艺术家在市中心艺术界的常客。在与这群人交往时,他会向像Keith Haring这样的艺术家介绍像Afrika Bambataa这样的新嘻哈DJ,在那里他会开始为Haring举办DJ派对。用Bambataa的话说,市中心的朋克音乐将是真正拥抱嘻哈音乐的第一个地区。更多的DJ会像《一代宗师闪电侠》一样开始在市中心做DJ,纽约大学的朋克孩子也开始喜欢上它。
      大约在这个时候,Fab Five Freddy将与Blondie的Debbie Harry和Chris Stein见面,并向他们介绍这种新类型的初创公司。在看过Grandmaster Flash DJ和Funky Four Plus One等乐队的表演后,Blondie非常喜欢它。他们非常喜欢它,于是决定在1981年创作歌曲《Rapture》,在这首歌中,Fab Five Freddy和Grandmaster Flash永远不朽,歌词是“Fab Five弗雷迪告诉我每个人的飞行,DJ旋转'我说我的,Flash很快Flash很酷”。《Rapture》大受欢迎,实际上是有史以来第一首说唱歌词排名第一的歌曲(视频中还有一位年轻的让-米歇尔·巴斯奎特在转盘上扮演《闪灵大师》)。这首歌也是让我进入嘻哈“钢铁轮上的闪光大师历险记”的歌曲之一,当时闪光大师用他的呐喊作为开场白。1981年,黛比·哈里(Debbie Harry)也主持了《周六夜现场》(SNL),她选择的音乐嘉宾是Funky Four Plus One(他们第一次看到说唱的乐队),这是第一个在国家电视台上表演的嘻哈表演。
      另一个会爱上这种新类型并接受它的团体是朋克摇滚乐队the Clash。冲突乐队大约在这个时候来到纽约,开始喜欢嘻哈音乐,所以当他们在纽约演出8晚时,他们选择了《闪电侠》和《速度与激情5》为他们开场。显然,球迷们并不喜欢它,乔·斯特鲁默会站出来对观众生气。The Clash还将发行一首嘻哈/迪斯科风格的歌曲,名为“The Magnificent Seven”,这首歌在当时的嘻哈DJ中获得了大量的播放,实际上早于Blondie的“Rapture”。
      这两种流派的融合将使许多重要的艺术家开始他们的职业生涯。例如,Beastie Boys最初是一个朋克乐队,后来转向嘻哈。Public Enemy的Chuck D表示,Clash的歌曲《Magnificent Seven》极大地启发了他对嘻哈音乐采取更朋克的说唱方式。像Rage Against the Machine这样的团体也会出现朋克说唱形象。
      朋克和嘻哈结合在一起非常有意义,因为这两种流派都有地下感觉,都有反建制的观点。几代之后的许多艺术家都会采用朋克说唱美学,这种融合甚至会一直持续到今天,许多新艺术家都有一种非常朋克说唱的感觉,比如JPEGMafia、Denzel Curry、Playboi Carti、Death Grips等等。


      IP属地:广西3楼2024-09-05 16:29
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        就比如嘻哈早期的一首经典单曲《Buffalo Gals》,就是性手枪的经纪人,也是英国朋克运动的掀起者Malcolm McLaren出的,这首歌后来还被姆采样,也就是那首经典的《Without Me》,而第一首上榜的说唱歌曲,也是金发女郎出的


        IP属地:广西4楼2024-09-05 16:34
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          印象中烂牙在80年左右也跟某个黑哥一起合作发行过一首嘻哈单曲,但是不记得是哪首了


          IP属地:广西5楼2024-09-05 16:35
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            不得不说,六十年代末期到八十年代早期这段时间的纽约,是真的伟大啊,诞生了地下丝绒,诞生了另类摇滚,诞生了雷蒙斯,诞生了朋克,另外也诞生了新浪潮,无浪潮,嘻哈等等音乐,而且各种音乐在那一时期里都存在有交融


            IP属地:广西6楼2024-09-05 16:37
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              看到有很多资料都有提到,嘻哈在音乐形式上貌似是起源于灵魂乐、Funk、爵士和迪斯科这些黑人音乐,但是在精神内核上却又是完完全全的朋克


              IP属地:广西7楼2024-09-05 16:40
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                IP属地:北京来自Android客户端8楼2024-09-05 18:58
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                  是的,并且在视觉艺术上两者也高度相似


                  IP属地:重庆来自Android客户端9楼2024-09-05 19:32
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                    确实


                    IP属地:美国来自iPhone客户端10楼2024-09-05 20:14
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                      80年代嘻哈相比之前的黑人音乐是真的硬和糙。但我觉得说唱后来的制作越来越好和独立音乐搞得更宏大对我的加成是相反的,前者肯定是好的,后者我只觉得还是不如简单直接的。可能因为说唱制作的东西和以前的流行/律动一脉相承,独立搞宏大就只能从前卫/氛围取经了


                      IP属地:美国来自iPhone客户端11楼2024-09-05 20:21
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                        朋克和嘻哈分别来着白人朋克和黑人街头,本质上都来自社会底层年轻人,精神上更是都是朋克


                        IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端12楼2024-09-05 22:02
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                          胡扯


                          IP属地:山东来自Android客户端13楼2024-09-06 01:51
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                            刚想提beastie boys和public enemy就看到这文章里有写到公敌采了很多朋克的


                            IP属地:福建来自Android客户端14楼2024-09-06 03:57
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                              hip hop本来就是摇滚


                              IP属地:印尼来自iPhone客户端15楼2024-09-06 10:27
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