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你啊,看过我的 10循环 完全解析恐怖游轮了嘛
记忆碎片不觉得有什么,一遍看完就OK了,这个比记忆碎片难多了。。。个人认为啊
记忆碎片主要是NOLAN还有点人性,分开了黑白和彩色,这样难度低多了


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1. 现实(真实的世界)kick回现实,设置时间到回现实
1.1 梦的第一层----死亡回现实(未服镇定剂),kick回1.1,
1.2 梦的第二层----死亡回现1.1(未服镇定剂),死亡进入迷失域(服用镇定剂),kick回1.2
1.3 梦的第三层----死亡进入迷失域(服用镇定剂),kick回1.3(如需进入此层,则需镇定剂,前几层穿越需双向KICK),此处可仍可植入想法,
1.4 梦的迷失域----死亡再次进入迷失域(服用镇定剂),死亡进入人脑自然投射的 假想现实(未服镇定剂或镇定剂时间到)。
注:迷失域会逐渐丧失部分记忆,此处可仍可植入想法,但只对下一层次(假想层)有效,进入后会消除前几层梦带来的衰老
---------------------------------------------------------------> 现实层
2. 假想现实,受现实层植入的想法所影响,丧失部分记忆,死亡后意识返回何处未知(可能是返回现实也可能是上层的迷失域)kick回假想现实
2.1 假想现实的梦第一层----死亡进入假想现实(未服镇定剂),kick回2.1
2.2 假想现实的梦第二层----死亡回现2.1(未服镇定剂),死亡进入假想迷失域(服用镇定剂),kick回2.2
2.3 假想现实的梦第三层----死亡进入假想迷失域(服用镇定剂),kick回2.3,(如需进入此层,则需镇定剂,前几层穿越需双向KICK),此处可仍可植入想法
2.4 假想现实的梦迷失域----死亡再次进入迷失域(服用镇定剂),死亡进入另一假想现实层次。(未服镇定剂或镇定剂时间到)
注:迷失域丧失部分记忆,此处可仍可植入想法,但只对下一层次有效,进入后会消除前几层梦带来的衰老
-----------------------------------------------------------> 第一假想层
3. 假想假想现实 丧失部分记忆,在1中植入的想法失效,即跨层(从现实到第二假想的过程)出现植入想法丢失,死亡后意识返回何处未知
...
-----------------------------------------------------------> 第二假想层
影片中
1)柯柏(Cobb)与其妻子梅尔(Mal)由现实层进入,使用镇定剂,为研究植入想法多次尝试梦中梦,并成功进入 梦的第4层。
2)由于无人协助kick,两人死在第4层,进入迷失域,而发现此处认识第4层即迷失域(此处柯柏在之后忘记,只记得他们由于探索才进入迷失域,另知道死亡可以进入迷失域)。
3)进入迷失域后,两人年轻化,梅尔为柯柏植入想法:陀螺不倒为梦,陀螺倒即为现实,即以陀螺作为判定的标准(事实上此处如未植入想法的话则判定可行,但陀螺被触碰或已已植入想法则无法作准,想法可改变陀螺倒不倒,触碰者也具有模仿改变陀螺的能力,梅尔恰是陀螺制造者)。
4)由于梅尔不想离开迷失域,藏起陀螺,柯柏发觉妻子有不想离开的倾向,找到陀螺(柯柏的想法此处已经不自觉可以控制陀螺,即以后的所有陀螺倒与不倒均可合适出现),并植入想法:一切都不是真的。两人此域已过50年。
5)两人迷失域卧轨(镇定剂时间已过,失效),死亡后正式进入假想现实
6)梅尔受想法影响,认为此处也是梦境,产生自杀执念。柯柏坚信陀螺不倒即为现实,坚持已身在现实中。
7)梅尔死亡,柯柏负罪感倍加,假想现实中负罪逃亡,幻想盗梦团队,初始3人。
8)在假想现实中出现电影剧情
9)潜意识中反复提醒需回到现实,利用个别人物的言语,如药剂师那里的老人,如岳父。
10)情节尾声处。由于假想迷失域中的死亡,柯柏进入更深层假想假想现实,跨域的植入想法失效,最后的陀螺不倒。
备注:
1)片中的其他盗梦成员是柯柏潜意识防御者。一切情节均为柯柏的模拟。
2)梦呈现稳定态和不稳定态。稳定态则对下层梦境无影响,如不稳定则出现较明显的影响,如影片梦境中车中离心力,失重对下层梦境的影响。且存在时差影响,如离心力和失重对于相邻梦境可影响较大,但相对隔层梦境,时间被放大多倍,近似于稳定态(失重后变为完全稳定),影响较小。
3)一切由于迷失域死亡而进入的假想现实及深层假想现实域均呈现稳定性。其循环为稳定--渐入不稳定--极不稳定(迷失域)--稳定。
4)梦中梦的人物身体状态可继承,但由于死亡进入迷失域后,身体状态回复到年轻态(迷失域中仍由时间推移而衰老)
5)如加入记忆的不确定性(即柯柏记忆的内容有稍微的偏差,如卧轨不是迷失域,那些建筑是在第四层建筑的等等)。
另外:如果陀螺倒,以上的猜测也可以实现。只是改其中一点。即植入想法不会随层的递加失效,那么被植入的想法能控制陀螺。。这本身就意味着这是死循环。。没出口。即其实都是梦。看柯柏愿意相信什么梦是真实的。因为你不知道。。。不知不觉中。。你是不是改变了什么。“你真的知道这个现实就不是梦境吗”


2026-01-26 12:10:52
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-444
第二层已经处于失重状态,第三层的Inception小组也没有受到影响,现在爆炸情况让电梯产生冲力,更加不会是失重。


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顶一下lz=w=
写了好多……
我从头看到尾眼睛都花了……
给个建议
以后如果写这么长篇的解析的话
用一个字母代替一个人的话可能会让那些看中文字幕的人们不知所措
【比如我一开始对每个字母想了半天= =……看到一半之后有点忘了每个字母代表谁了……然后就有点混乱了】
最后……lz辛苦了~=w=


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LZ你不可能只看了一遍吧
如果只看了一遍那你的理解力太惊人了


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这里贴下我好友MAXC同学辛苦努力打字打出来的英文台词,没有翻译:
郑重声明,所有台词来自Maxc,之所以把这些抄过来是为了方便大家阅读,因为我发现很多朋友是对电影台词没弄明白而无法理解剧情和细节,如果你要转载那么请注明住处
(PS:这些是他反复听后,一字一句码出来的,请尊重别人的劳动成果。)
(第一课,Ariadne在Cobb的梦里)
Cobb:Now in a dream,our mind continuously does this.We create and perceive our world simultaneously.And our mind does this so well that we don't even konw it's happening.That allows us to get right into the middle of that process.
Ariadne:How?
Cobb:By taking over the creating part.Now,this is where I need you.You create the world of the dream.We bring the subject into that dream.And they fill it with their subconscious.(or “And they feel it's their subconscious.”)
(第二课,Cobb在Ariadne的梦里)
Ariadne:Who are the people?
Cobb:Projections of my subconscious.
Ariadne:Yours?
Cobb:Yes.Remember,you are the dreamer.You built this world.I am the subject,my mind populates it.
......
Ariadne:Why are they all looking at me?
Cobb:Cause my subconscious feels that someone else is creating this world.The More you change things,the quicker the projections start to converge them.
Ariadne:Converge?
Cobb:It sense the foreign nature of the dreamer.They attack like white bloodcells fighting an infection.
Ariadne:Are they going to attack us?
Cobb:No.Just you.
......
Cobb:It's my subconscious.Remember,I can't control it.
(第三课,Ariadne在Arthur的梦里)
Arthur:But they have to be complicated enough that we can hide from the projection.
Ariadne:A maze.
Arthur:Right,a maze.And the better the maze...
Ariadne:Then the longer we have before the projections catch us?
Arthur:Exactly.
Ariadne:My subconscious seems quiet enough.
Arthur:You wait till it turns ugly.No one likes to feel someone else is messing around with their mind.
(Saito把航空公司买了)
Saito:It seem little.
(在L1吵架,Ariadne问掉进Limbo要多久才能出来)
Yusuf:I can't even think about trying to escape until the sedation is ease...
(L1吵架的时候)
Cobb:This is a way out.Alright,we continue on with the job and we do this as fast as possible,and we get out using the kick.Just like before.
......
Cobb:Ten hours of flight time is a week this level.That means each and every one of us will be killed.That I can guarantee.We have no other choice but to continue on and do it as fast as possible.Downwards is the only way forwards.
(L1审问Fischer之前的对白)
Cobb:You're on.We've got an hour.
Eames:An hour?I was supposed to have all night to practice.
Cobb:Saito wasn't supposed to be shot in the chest.We got one hour,now get something useful,please.
(L1中Ariadne与Cobb单独对话)
Ariadne:When were you in Limbo?
Ariadne:You might have the rest of the team convinced to carry on with this job but they don't know the truth.
Cobb:Truth?What truth?
Ariadne:The truth that at any minute,you might bring a freight train through the wall.The truth that Mal is bursting through your subconscious.And the truth that as we go deeper into Fischer we're also going deeper into you.And I...I'm not sure we're gonna like what we find.



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Cobb:We were working together.We were exploring the concept of a dream within a dream.I kept pushing things.I wanted to go deeper and deeper.I wanted to go further.I just didn't understand the concept that hours could turn into years down there.That we could get trapped so deep.That when we wind up on the shore of our subconscious we lost side of what was real.We created.We built a world for ourselves.We did that for years.We got our own world.
Ariadne:How long were you stuck there?
Cobb:Something like fifty years.
Ariadne:Jesus.How could you stand it?
Cobb:It wasn't so bad at first.Feeling like gods.The problem was that I knew that none of that was real.Eventually,it has became impossible for me to live like that.
Ariadne:And what about for her.
Cobb:Sha has locked something away.Something deep inside to her.The truth that she once known.But,she chose to forget.Limbo became her reality.
Ariadne:What happened when you woke up?
Cobb:Well,to wake up from that after...after years...after decades,to become old souls thrown back into youth like that.I knew sonething was wrong with her.She just wouldn't admit it.Eventually,she told me the truth.She was possessed by an idea.This one,very simple idea that changed everything.That "our world wasn't real"......
(去L2前在Van中讲话)
Arthur:What about his security?It's gonna get worse as we go deeper.
......
Arthur:Don't jump too soon.We only have one shot at that kick you're gonna make.
(Arthur正在491天花板安装炸药,和Ariadne对话)
Arthur:While you're all asleep in 528,I'll wait for Yusuf's kick.
Ariadne:How will you know?
Arthur:His music warns me.And then when the van hits the barrier of the bridge,that should be unmistakable.So we get a nice synchronized kick.
Arthur:If it's too soon,we won't get pulled out.
Arthur:If it's too late,I won't be able to drop us.
Ariadne:Why not?
Arthur:Because of the van that will be in free fall.Can't drop you without gravity.
(Van冲出桥栏,L3雪崩后)
Eames:Cobb,did we miss it?
Cobb:Yeah,we missed it.
......
Eames:What next kick?
Cobb:When the van hits the water.
(Fischer中枪,Eames赶到后)
Eames:What happened?
Ariadne:Mal killed Fischer.
Cobb:I couldn't shoot her.
Cobb:But there's no use in reviving him,his mind's already trapped down there.
Cobb:It's all over.
Eames:So that's it?Then we failed?
Cobb:We're done.I'm sorry.
Eames:Well,it's not me who's gonna get back to my family,is it?
Eames:It's a shame,I really want to know what's gonna happen in there.I swear we have this one...
Cobb:Let's set the charges.
Ariadne:No,there's still another way.
Ariadne:We just have to follow Fischer down there.
Eames:We don't have time.
Ariadne:No,but that will be enough time down there.And we will find him.
Ariadne:OK,as soon as Arthur's music kicks in,just use the defibrillator to revive him.
Ariadne:We can give him his own kick down below.
Ariadne:Look,you get him in there.As soon as the music ends,you blow up the hospital.
Ariadne:And we all ride the kick back up the layers.
Eames:That's worth a shot.And Saito can hold the guardsout while I set the charges.
Cobb:Saito will never make it,Eames.
Ariadne:Cobb,come on!We've got to try this.
Eames:Let's go!
Eames:If you're not back for the kick while,I will xxxxxxxxx(听不到).
Cobb:She's right.
Ariadne:Can I trust you to do what's gonna happen there?I mean Mal's gonna be down there.
Cobb:I know where to find her.She'll have Fischer.
Ariadne:How do you know?
Cobb:Because she wants me to come after her,she wants me back down there with her.
(Cobb和Ariadne在岸边)
Cobb:All right?
Ariadne:This is your world?
Cobb:Was.
Cobb:This is where she'll be.Come on.
......
Ariadne:You built all these?This is incredible.
Cobb:We built for years.We started in on the memories.
(Mal说出Fischer在外面)
Cobb:Go check if he's alive,Ariadne.
limbo里的对话:
最开头:
Saito:Are you here to kill me?
Saito:I konw what this is.I've seen one before.Many many years ago.It belonged to a man I met in a half-remembered dream.A man possessed of some radical notions.
......
最后:
Saito:Are you come to kill me?
Saito:I'm waiting for someone.
Cobb:Someone from my half-remembered dream.
Saito:Cobb.Impossible.We were young men together.I'm an old man.
Cobb:Filled with regret.
Saito:Waiting to die alone.
Cobb:I've come back for you.To remind you of something.Something you once knew.That this world is not real.
Saito:To convince me to honor our arrangement?
Cobb:To take a leap of faith,yes.
Cobb:Come back,so we can be young man together again.Come back with me.Come back
Cobb在飞机睁开眼......


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所以4L到底是不是LIMBO……


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这楼都这么高了


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Ariadne:This is your world?
Cobb:Was.
Cobb:This is where she'll be.Come on.
......
Ariadne:You built all these?This is incredible.
Cobb:We built for years.We started in on the memories.
这肯定不是Cobb的梦境了。


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太阳兄,你那位朋友搞的台词网址,可否发来一看?


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A:This is your world?
C:It was.
说明这个是他的记忆。
Limbo 可以认为是处于”意识“和”无意识“中间过渡的“前意识”部分,符合影片中位于代表“意识”的城市和代表“无意识”的海洋中间的浅滩区域。
L4肯定不是Limbo,不然无法解释S和C的时间跨度问题。
如果L4不是C的梦境,C怎么会说我知道F被M带去了哪里,M是C的Projection所以他知道F被带去了哪里



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