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107楼2021-05-11 19:40
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      109楼2021-05-11 19:43
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        Yuzuru Hanyu 3A的演变
        https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/dobroefk/1021031.html

        内容节录(翻成英文)
        It is obvious that today Yuzuru Hanyu is the only single skater who inboth programs performs triple axels and quadruple jumps of the sametype from various, complex and combination runs. Yes, this increases the risk. But this is the essence of men's single skating - totake risks without fear of making mistakes. Combine the beauty ofhigh-speed jumps with the high quality of their performance. This is theharmony of technique and art in figure skating.


        110楼2021-05-11 19:45
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          源自于作者彩蛋:披着疯疯皮的大白鹅


          111楼2021-05-11 19:46
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            98楼的博主elechicca保存的是这名连结失效的博主chibura的文章。
            53楼yuzuruhanyu edits提到连结失效的博主,就是chibura。
            chibura的文章有一大部分翻译100楼俄国技术大牛的文章,他将图片也翻成英文。


            俄国技术大牛除了分析牛哥的节目,还有分析同场比赛的选手数据,因为图片很多,看原作者的俄文网页会看不懂,所以建议进入elechicca的部落格去搜寻chibura的文章


            112楼2021-05-11 23:32
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              睡前看这一段,觉得自己能成为牛粉真的好幸运,心里又有些难过,好担心牛哥身体,唉。



              115楼2021-05-11 23:44
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                chibura还有其他花滑科普文章,有兴趣的用同样的方法找吧



                118楼2021-05-11 23:53
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                  https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/
                  前面提到的俄国技术大牛就是在这里刊登文章,不过这网站跟Goldenskate一样drama不少,跟Golden skate比较不同的是,大部分都是产俄国自家的新闻,如果只是想吃俄国瓜的,可以进入这网站瞎逛,但不要指望有甚么专业花滑科普知识就是了,绝大部分都是八卦。


                  121楼2021-05-15 15:27
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                    讲完俄国瓜又要回去说美国瓜了,这是美国瓜的网站,俄国瓜专注俄国选手,同理美国瓜。
                    http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/index.htm

                    刚才提的俄国瓜我只会点进去看那位技术大牛的文章,而现在提到的美国瓜ice skating international则有较多可看的东西(这边提醒一下,网站首页挂的人物照片都没有更新),以下开始介绍一些不错看的内容吧。


                    122楼2021-05-15 15:29
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                      第一个要说的是花滑术语表GLOSSARY OF TERMINOLOGY,条目按字母分类
                      http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/resources/glossary/glossary.htm
                      我列一些常见、有意思的术语
                      Biellmann spin: A spinin which the free leg extends backwards and upwards at, or above, head level,the arms reach back over the shoulders, and the blade of the free foot is heldby one or both hands. Biomechanically, the Biellmann position is a camelposition since the hip joint is rotated 90 degrees and the free leg is heldabove hip level; however, under the International Judging System it is classifiedas an upright position. Named after its inventor, Swiss skater DeniseBiellmann.
                      贝尔曼旋转跟其他直立旋转的确长得较不一样,与骆驼旋转有相似的地方
                      Signature move: A specific movementviewers associate with a specific skater included as a highlight in nearly alltheir programs. The move is sometimes invented by the skaters or is revivedby the skater after not being used for a long period of time. For theskater, the movement identifies them as much as their signature would.
                      我有个疑问,为甚么H条目没有列入Hydroblading


                      123楼2021-05-15 15:34
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                        Flutz: (informal) A jump with a Lutz entry that takes of on the wrong edge.
                        不知甚么时候会增加Backaxel呢~
                        Cheated jump:
                        (Informal) A jump inwhich the rotations are not completed in the air; i.e., a jump in which some ofthe rotation is completed on the ice during either the takeoff or landing ofthe jump. Rather than cheated, the term used in the rules is"missing rotation." Thus, a cheated jump is a jump that ismissing rotation.
                        Whenthe technical panel calls a jump element, they determine whether the jump hasmissing rotations and indicate if that is so by adding a "q", < or<< symbol to the element code. These codes indicate if the jump isshort 1/4 of a rotation, more than 1/4 but less than 1/2 rotation or 1/2 ormore rotation. Jumps missing less than 1/4 rotation are not indicated in theprotocols in any way.
                        Under-rotated jump:
                        A jump which is missingmore than 1/4 rotation when the free foot contacts the ice, but less than 1/2.
                        Jumpsmissing rotation of any amount in the air were once all referred to asunder-rotated jumps, or cheated jumps. With the introduction of IJS,under-rotated was defined to specifically mean a jump missing more than 1/4 rotationbut less than 1/2, and the term missing rotation introduced for when a jumplacks full rotation by any amount.
                        不标准技术↑
                        ------------分隔線---------------
                        优质技术↓ #YUZURU #TEXT BOOK
                        Fully rotated a jump: A jumpthat completes all expected rotations in the air, either an integer number oran integer number and one-half. In reality, fully rotated jumps typicallyhave about one-eight less rotation than the nominal value. Missing rotationsare then the number of rotations less than that reduced number.
                        Delayed jump: A jumpin which the rotation is delayed by hesitating on the pull in, and whichrotates slowly at the start and quickly at the end. The most common example isthe delayed Axel.


                        124楼2021-05-15 15:39
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                          接下来要介绍的是George S.Rossano的文章,他的文章都佐以科学数据,不过有几篇观点有些一言难尽,作者本人的立场也很微妙,我先列出几篇没问题的文章
                          The Ice is Very Slippery
                          http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/slippery_ice.htm
                          这篇解释冰面很滑的双关语意即科学原理。
                          Dynamical Model of a Quad Axel
                          http://iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/QuadAxelModel.htm

                          Dynamical Model of a Quad Lutz
                          http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/QuadLutzModel.htm

                          从两张图可看出4A比4Lutz需要更高的高度及空中停留时间


                          125楼2021-05-15 15:49
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                            以上这三篇是不仅没有逻辑上问题,也没有立场上问题。


                            126楼2021-05-15 15:53
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                              以下文章内容都属实,值得一看,只是带有作者微妙立场
                              In Search of the Quad Axel
                              http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/QuadAxel.htm
                              George S. Rossano针对4A、4Lutz建模后,对4A进行深入的数据分析及探讨可行性。
                              他认为4A很难跳出,因为他认为现在pre-rotation、under-rotation的问题泛滥,绝大部分选手连idealized jumps 、textbook jumps都跳不出了,更遑论4A
                              节录文章片段
                              We call them idealized jumps because in the real world most skatersexecute jumps with technique different from the ideal descriptions, and fortriple Axel and above very different.
                              Further, certain jumps even when executed in textbook fashion never havehad an integer number of rotations. Loops and Salchow, for example, havealways been executed with about one-quarter rotation short of integer rotation,as the skaters jump not only upwards, but also somewhat to the side for thesejumps.
                              大意:
                              1.许多3A执行不标准
                              2 Loops和Salchow带有些许天然的pre-rotation,即使是textbook jumps都无可避免
                              Looking at ISU competition specifically, many skaters have up toone-half rotation missing on the takeoff and up to one quarter rotation on thelanding, and ISU Technical Panels will call those jumps fully rotated, giving fullbase value.
                              This means a full value jump can often be missing a total of three-quartersof a rotation for toe loop through Lutz, and one-half for Axels (Axels tend tohave no more than one-quarter missing rotation on the takeoff, one-third at worst).
                              This is the method the Russian wunderkind (and others) now use to getcredit for triple Axel and quads. Most Russian girls do it the same way,and as the most successful ones are all taught by the same coach, it appearsthis is the technique they are taught, and not a coincidence, knowing the ISUwill not penalize them.
                              大意:
                              因为ISU不罚,3A、4Lutz的pre-rotation、under-rotation满天飞,尤其是俄国女单选手
                              Given the skill level needed to achieve a fully rotated quad Axel (Table2), it seems unlikely we will ever see one of these. It would probably requirea revolutionary improvement in technique, training and/or equipment for askater to outperform the assumptions built into Table 2, particular the time ittakes to get over the right side and pulled in; i.e., an air rotationefficiency approaching 0.9. A dynamical model of a true quadAxel can be found here. A dynamical model of a true quadLutz can be found here.
                              大意:
                              考虑到要真正做到没有pre-rotation、under-rotation的4A很难,除非要能突破现阶段的技术、训练方式及装备,不然真正的4A很难实现。
                              这篇我还有话要说,只是先不在这里谈


                              127楼2021-05-15 17:06
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