回复：【J采访】Jake Gyllenhaal扮演真正的超级英雄

问：Art is important in that way. Art is life or death, as pretentious as that sounds.
艺术在这方面很重要。艺术是生命或死亡，就像那听起来的自命不凡。
答：Totally. I think the problem comes in when you add commerce. That’s when fraudulence comes into play. So, you can’t make big statements and say, “I owe my life to this thing,” and then make a certain story that you know will sell. Then people call you out, which I think is fine.
完全地. 我认为当你加入商业时，问题就来了。当欺诈开始发挥作用的时候。所以，你不能发表大的声明，说：“我的生命要归功于这件事”，然后做一个你知道会出售的故事。然后人们叫出你（的名字），我觉得这很好。

important about being contradictory, too. We contradict ourselves constantly, and I think that is part of it, but I think there’s this whole movement—of actors particularly, because we don’t have a say so much in the filmmaking process—that tends to downplay the importance of storytelling. As if it’s an act of humility to say it like you say it. “What we do isn’t that important. We’re just here to create escapism, or we’re here to entertain,” which we are. But I said from a young age—and maybe it was what I was taught—that any story is political and any story has an influence.
我认为矛盾也很重要。我们经常自相矛盾，我认为这是其中的一部分，但我认为这是一场运动，特别是对演员来说。因为我们在电影制作过程中没有太多的话语，往往低估了讲故事的重要性。就好像说你说的那样是一种谦卑的行为。“我们做的并不那么重要。我们只是在这里创造逃避现实，或我们来这里娱乐，” 就像我们现在。但我从很小的时候就说过了，也许这就是我被教导的，任何故事都是政治的，任何故事都有影响。

That’s the thing with this film because all of a sudden it made me realize how important storytelling is, more than I had ever imagined, and at the same time I had Jeff joking with me, saying, “What you do is ridiculous.” I’m walking that line all the time.
这正是这部电影的原因，因为它突然让我意识到讲故事是多么的重要，比我想象的还要重要，同时我还和杰夫开玩笑，说：“你做的事太可笑了。”我一直在走那条线。

问 ：Do you apply that philosophy, about the importance of art, to the films you want to produce? Because in an industry led by big, empty commerce, it seems like actors with your kind of profile are the ones who have the most influence to get stories like this told.
你是否把这种哲学，关于艺术的重要性，放在你想要制作的电影上？因为在一个由大型的、空洞的商业领导的行业里，像你这种形象的演员似乎是最有影响力的人，可以得到这样的故事。
Yeah. And I don’t think I’ve ever dismissed the fact that this is a business as well, and we spent years building a foundation on this project to allow me to express myself with what I believe in. I think about it all the time. I’ve been doing this for 20 years now. The choices I’ve seen people make, and the choices I’ve made, have led me to be able to understand the stories I want to tell myself.
是啊.我认为我从来没有否认这也是一个商业事实，我们花了很多年在这个项目上建立了一个基础，让我用我所相信的来表达自己。我一直在想这件事。我已经做了20年了。我所看到的人的选择，以及我做出的选择，使我能够理解我想告诉自己的故事

In my experience, what I see a lot now is people rushing into movies without understanding the structure of storytelling. I really do wish we spent more time in that process, because I think that’s what audiences respond to. Spectacle may sell cheaply and easily, but at least where I sit, I don’t have the resources to make huge spectacle. What I can do is grind and grind to make sure that there’s a spectacle in the structure of the story and the great characters.
根据我的经验，我现在看到的很多是人们在不理解故事结构的情况下匆匆忙忙地去看电影。我真的希望我们在这个过程中花更多的时间，因为我认为这是观众的反应。壮观的景象可以廉价出售，但至少在我坐的地方，我没有资源来制造巨大的场面。我所能做的就是研磨和研磨，以确保故事的结构和伟大的人物有一个奇观。

I think you’re right when you say filmmaking is important, and it should be taken seriously. When I think about the things that have shaped me as a person, maybe there’ve been a couple of political speeches, but overall it’s been extraordinary stories about incredible human beings. That’s what made me change my perspective on life. So why do we dismiss the essential quality that storytelling demands?
我认为你说电影制作很重要是对的，应该严肃对待。当我想到那些塑造了我作为一个人的东西时，也许有过几次政治演讲，但总的来说，这是关于不可思议的人类的非凡故事。这让我改变了对人生的看法。那么我们为什么要取消故事所要求的基本品质呢？

People say appetites are changing, and people aren’t ready to move on and all this stuff. It’s sort of true and it’s also not true. I still like chasing those kinds of stories because those are the stories I love.
人们说口味正在变化，人们还没有准备好继续前进，所有这些东西。这是真的，也不是真的。我仍然喜欢追逐那些故事，因为那是我爱的故事。

消息来源：http://deadline.com/2017/12/stronger-jake-gyllenhaal-jeff-bauman-lionsgate-interview-1202226162/