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【一露】国外一露粉丝站Deathyberry上有关98变心的信息

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http://deathberry.com/index.php?topic=1051.0
上面是连接,如果看得懂的可以自己去看看,那边论坛已经爆炸了。
简单的翻译:
消息的来源是Deathberry的创始人Arie的一个朋友的朋友。此人在2008年98去美国圣地亚哥当地的动漫展时认识了98,她此后一直和98有保持联系,98在2010年偷偷去美国和华纳签约死神电影版权的时候和这个粉丝又见了一次,这个时候粉丝问了98很多问题,因为她也是一露粉,一个很重要的问题就是问98对一露的想法。
当时是2010,那时连载还在虚圈篇,98是这样回复的(这是从英文二次翻译成中文,也许和原意有出入):
“我很清楚很多女孩子想看到更多的爱情故事,他们想让一护和露琪亚在一起" 98说着笑了笑,然后继续道:”我会在死神里面加入一些爱情元素,我会给一露画一些爱情故事。“
这之后的大部分是Arie的个人猜测。她这个帖子主要的意思是:98原本是有让一露一起的打算,而且口头上和粉丝承认过,但是那之后明显变心了。Arie猜测他变心的主要原因是完现术篇连载的时候,有太多人在推特上黑井上,98认为这些黑井上的人都是一露粉,所以为了报复这些人他改变了自己的心意。
Arie这段推测也只是她个人的一些想法,我个人来说不知道全盘接受是否明智。98对粉丝说的那些话,是否完全证明他当时就想画一露我也不清楚,那时那样说,也许只是当天很高兴,敷衍了那个粉丝一次而已。从某种意义上来说,不管是一开始就想恶心人,还是后期突然因为某种原因变心,恶劣程度基本上都一样,无论国外还是国内的粉丝对98以及BLEACH都是已经深恶痛绝。这里将这个信息分享过来,也是出于对Arie还有Deathberry的很多网友的敬重,她们的想法,她们知道的东西需要让全世界喜欢一露的人都知道。


IP属地:广东1楼2016-08-19 07:18回复
    啧啧啧


    来自Android客户端2楼2016-08-19 07:25
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      2026-01-08 11:38:34
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      从推过来,发现百分之98都在骂漫画和98,很多都觉得怎么会配这样的cp,这下98是一生黑。有一些甚至说,这个漫画我不满意,但是还是幸苦了老师,也就是说他们是带着多大的无奈啊


      来自iPhone客户端3楼2016-08-19 07:25
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        报复这些人。。。想笑。。


        IP属地:陕西来自iPhone客户端4楼2016-08-19 07:27
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          太孩子气了,那那些从未做过什么坏事的一露粉岂不冤枉


          IP属地:四川来自iPhone客户端6楼2016-08-19 07:37
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            Arie有一个观点我还是很同意的,就是98他这么多年,完全不能理解为什么粉丝不接受井上,不理解很多人即便不支持一露,对这个角色也完全没有好感,这是他自己人物塑造的失败,粉丝不买账和CP没有关系。


            IP属地:广东7楼2016-08-19 07:38
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              这是人品问题了


              来自iPhone客户端8楼2016-08-19 07:38
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                他一开始想画一露其实是能感觉到的!可是他还是给了我们一个吃翔一般的结局!


                IP属地:四川来自iPhone客户端9楼2016-08-19 07:40
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                  2026-01-08 11:32:34
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                  论坛注册已经关闭了OTL


                  IP属地:加拿大10楼2016-08-19 07:46
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                    因为网络问题国内可能难上到deathberry,以下是原文:
                    Note: I have already asked Nacchan to translate and share this post - or partly at least - in the IchiRuki thread in 2ch. Our Chinese residents can also translate this and share it in the IchiRuki section in Baidu. I think it's fair that all IchiRuki fans know about this. Same for Korean fans, if you want to share it in communities there you can.
                    Once upon a time, Kubo went to San Diego Comic Con - it was in 2008 - and made friends with a fan. They kept this friendship and chatted a lot. In 2010, Kubo actually came back to the US for a top secret project (we all know he sold the rights to WB for a movie back then now). He met up with this fan again: they weren't alone, mind you, there was his editor with him, translator and staff.
                    This special fan was a friend of a friend, and this is how I learned this tidbit that was shared with a few whom we knew would be able to not tell it. It was important, for the sake of this specific fan, for her friendship with Kubo, and also because we didn't have anything but her word about it. I have ZERO doubt that she told the truth. She was a big IchiRuki and Rukia fan.
                    When she met Kubo that second time, since they were just being informal, he let slip some things as she pressed questions (remember, this was 2010, still the HM arc):
                    Regarding IchiRuki, Kubo said, "I know very well that the girls want more romance in Bleach. They want Ichigo and Rukia together." He smiled and said, "I will put a little romance in Bleach. I will put a little romance for IchiRuki."
                    So yes, we didn't imagine things. IchiRuki was meant to be. It's just that Kubo had a change of heart - it was definitely after the FB arc. I believe the FB arc solidified IchiRuki as canon, there is no if or but about it.
                    And really, it's his right and I would accept this if Kubo didn't do it in the cruellest way. Instead of making Rukia > Renji and Ichigo > Inoue, he chose to just slap them together and not give a hint so as the IchiRuki fans would still follow Bleach until the end. Worst, he said that Rukia was the shinigami protag - however, he never really showed that. She didn't participate in the battle, she didn't even have a moment with Ichigo. He gave us 666 and Urahara's words. He gave us 674 where Ichigo STILL separates Rukia from the rest. He gave us hope as Bleach was leaning towards the end, that he would have IchiRuki interact last because hey, you save the best for the last, right?
                    Instead of making clear RenRuki was canon in the penultimate chapter, he let people hope for TWO weeks. He backstabbed the IchiRuki fans specifically in the cruellest way, and I will not forgive him for that.
                    All why you ask? Well, one does wonder. But it's for Inoue, definitely. His love for Inoue made him bitter because she's well, a trash character who's hated. He never listened to his fans, never understood WHY we hated her - it had nothing to do with IchiRuki, but hey, better believe that, it's the easiest explanation! He acted like a spoilt child and instead of writing this story for Ichigo like he used to, he switched to write it for Inoue. But he didn't let that in just to keep fans buying manga until the end.
                    It was during the FB arc that he received a LOT of Inoue hate messages on Twitter - seriously GUYS this was the most stupid thing to do and yes I'm looking at you, Western fandom - and I believe that's what set him in motion.
                    In order to have his revenge, he planned that his precious Inoue would get the dick she wanted. And suddenly, Rukia disappeared EVEN MORE - because yes, he hates that she was so loved so easily by fans while his precious Inoue was hated - and we don't get any IchiRuki interaction until the end. And he plans to make us wait until the very bitter end, he gives no Ichi > Ori indication, as to Ruki > Renji it's even more laughable. All of that to make us pay for hating his precious daughter. I never held onto what he said to that fan - it was nice to have, but I looked at the manga because if I had seen real Ichi > Ori, I would have dropped it instantly.
                    I will not forgive that man. He's vile and cruel. He shat on his story, his characters, what he built for 15 years just for a spiteful revenge. He literally insulted our intelligence, the whole fandom for it. The plot points of Bleach? What plot points? This ending is not only miserable pairings-wise, it's totally a laughing stock when it comes to everything else. I didn't think Kubo was a great writer. But I thought he had at least some integrity, some sort of respect for him, for his story and characters, for his fans. Well it turned out he didn't.
                    One of the worst thing is that he gave his ending to fans who don't buy anything - IchiRuki fans bought loads and loads of merchandising and stuff. And those fans are trashier than Inoue herself: I will not forgive how they brought my friends to lie about them, mock them on communities dedicated to wank etc. They kept lying and playing victims while attacking us in nasty ways. So Kubo can keep those people as fans.
                    But you know what? I'm done with him, with Bleach. Bleach tells a horrible story where if you're a doormat enough, you can get your unrequited love! Screw everything else! What a story to tell his children. I am certain that Kubo's career just ended; fans won't forgive him. Orgs can claim whatever they want, but this ending is absolute garbage, story-wise, plot-wise, pairings-wise. People will keep wondering why they read that, why they had a tiny shred of hope left.
                    Don't forget: Kubo went Origo in the most awful way, in order to hurt the most fans he could. That is how vile and cruel this man is.


                    IP属地:广东12楼2016-08-19 07:52
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                      看到這位粉絲這麼說 又讓我心寒了一次 如果說從完現術篇開始就有更多人黑井上,那久保大可不必畫露琪亞回歸再給一護力量,其實這張完全是可以洗白井上,如果井上沒有中月島那一刀,真的可以代替雨龍娘娘走進一護的心,但98並沒有!血戰篇浦原那一句 黑崎、朽木 純粹只是想刷一露的存在感⋯⋯現在看來 真的很像久保對一露粉的報復 我相信很多一露粉都是無辜的 攤上這波屎....


                      IP属地:中国台湾来自iPhone客户端13楼2016-08-19 07:52
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                        我还是相信98最初是想要给一露一份圆满的
                        什么时候变心的不得而知,但后期确实感觉不出他对作品的热爱了,不能善始善终就干脆全盘毁灭,我觉得这样一个作者阴暗恶毒到可怕


                        IP属地:四川来自Android客户端14楼2016-08-19 07:55
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                          最难受的,还有那么多人质疑、谩骂声中,98一句话都不作出回应


                          IP属地:四川来自iPhone客户端15楼2016-08-19 07:59
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                            我都不忍回去看了。


                            来自iPhone客户端16楼2016-08-19 08:04
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                              阴谋论这样的东西虽然说起来不好听,但是现在回头看,最终章确实非常蹊跷,N次一露可以互动的机会98都刻意回避过去了。很多时候两人明明很快就遇上了但是却没有。变心的原因姑且不讨论,但是变心的证据在漫画里面看看还是非常充分的。


                              IP属地:广东18楼2016-08-19 08:14
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