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奥斯卡·王尔德与中国文化

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熟悉王尔德的人都知道,他很推崇东方文化尤其是中国文化。像王尔德那样崇尚“美”的人,东方文化的优雅与神秘很符合他的唯美主义原则。翻译他的四部剧作的余光中先生不无遗憾地说,可惜王尔德看不到他的译作了,不然他也会深以为喜。我也觉得很可惜,要是奥斯卡懂中文就好了,中文的简约与深邃,中文天然的对仗与平仄优势,还有那浩瀚如海的古诗词宝库,再加古代读书人生活的浪漫与风雅,绝对会令他如获至宝。对他这样善于运用文字的语言大师,中文一定会为他打开一扇全新的大门。
可惜他却只能通过二手译作来了解中国文化之妙了。在他的读书笔记《一位中国圣贤》中,我要费很大力气才能明白他所说的庄子原意是什么。要说我跟他相比有何优势的话,那就是我能读庄子原文,除此之外再无其他。


1楼2013-08-21 15:28回复
    《王尔德读书随笔》(张介明译,上海三联书店,1999)将庄子译成了孔子,因为整个都读不通了,看得我疑惑不解,所以我去找来了原文,随后附上。
    文中提到,王尔德是读的赫伯特·贾尔斯(Herbert Allen Giles)的翻译版本。这本书应该是"Chuang Tzǔ: Mystic, Moralist, and Social Reformer "。
    Herbert Allen Giles (1845年-1935年),汉学家、前英国驻华外交官。1867年来华,历任英国驻汕头、厦门、宁波、上海等地英领馆领事。1892年出版用20年时间编撰的《华英字典》(A Chinese-English Dictionary)。1893年回国。1897年任剑桥大学汉学教授,至1932年退休,长达35年。一生翻译了许多孔子、老子等中国古代思想家著作。


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      不对,我搞错了。鉴于王尔德是1890年发表此文,所以他提到的Giles的书只能在此之前,那就是1886年的 The Remains of Lao Tzu 。
      很想找到Giles翻译版来看看,但至今还没找到= =


      3楼2013-08-21 16:17
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        他的真诚还体现在当19世纪中叶以后,像中国这样的东方国家的积贫积弱已暴露无遗,西方优越论和西方中心主义已盛行之时,他他仍毫无偏见、充满敬意地介绍中国圣人孔子(庄子),说:“孔子(庄子),这个名字我们必须作为从未写过的名字认真加以宣布。在耶稣之前上个世纪,他已诞生在黄河岸边那一方鲜花盛开的土地上。”“孔子(庄子)是一位达尔文以前的达尔文主义者,他追溯人的起源,并视其为自然的同一体。”他还告诉他的同胞“路易十五和路易十六事情许多漂亮的服装都受惠于中国艺术家那考究的装饰针线活……中国和日本的丝绸长袍教给我们色彩调和的新奇迹、精心设计的新奥妙。”要知道,当时即使是像黑格尔这样的哲学家,像爱默生这样的作家一谈起中国,言语间都充满了鄙视和轻蔑,这足见王尔德的正直、诚挚。
        ——摘自《王尔德读书随笔》译序 张介明


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          他用两个中国青瓷花瓶装饰房间,朝夕观赏,以至觉得自己越来越配不上它们的清雅了。
          ——摘自《奥斯卡·王尔德与中国文化》
          非常可爱的奥斯卡,他还艳羡中国工人喝水用的茶杯呢!这篇论文在爱问有,想看的童鞋可以去搜,地址我就不放上来了,以免被删= =


          5楼2013-08-21 16:38
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            Yes; incredible as it may seem, this curious thinker looked back with a
            sigh of regret to a certain Golden Age when there were no competitive
            examinations, no wearisome educational systems, no missionaries, no penny
            dinners for the people, no Established Churches, no Humanitarian
            Societies, no dull lectures about one's duty to one's neighbour, and no
            tedious sermons about any subject at all. In those ideal days, he tells
            us, people loved each other without being conscious of charity, or writing
            to the newspapers about it. They were upright, and yet they never
            published books upon Altruism. As every man kept his knowledge to himself,
            the world escaped the curse of scepticism; and as every man kept his
            virtues to himself, nobody meddled in other people's business. They lived
            simple and peaceful lives, and were contented with such food and raiment
            as they could get. Neighbouring districts were in sight, and 'the cocks
            and dogs of one could be heard in the other,' yet the people grew old and
            died without ever interchanging visits. There was no chattering about
            clever men, and no laudation of good men. The intolerable sense of
            obligation was unknown. The deeds of humanity left no trace, and their
            affairs were not made a burden for posterity by foolish historians.
            In an evil moment the Philanthropist made his appearance, and brought with
            him the mischievous idea of Government. 'There is such a thing,' says
            Chuang Tzu, 'as leaving mankind alone: there has never been such a thing
            as governing mankind.' All modes of government are wrong. They are
            unscientific, because they seek to alter the natural environment of man;
            they are immoral because, by interfering with the individual, they produce
            the most aggressive forms of egotism; they are ignorant, because they try
            to spread education; they are self-destructive, because they engender
            anarchy. 'Of old,' he tells us, 'the Yellow Emperor first caused charity
            and duty to one's neighbour to interfere with the natural goodness of the
            heart of man. In consequence of this, Yao and Shun wore the hair off their
            legs in endeavouring to feed their people. They disturbed their internal
            economy in order to find room for artificial virtues. They exhausted their
            energies in framing laws, and they were failures.' Man's heart, our
            philosopher goes on to say, may be 'forced down or stirred up,' and in
            either case the issue is fatal. Yao made the people too happy, so they
            were not satisfied. Chieh made them too wretched, so they grew
            discontented. Then every one began to argue about the best way of
            tinkering up society. 'It is quite clear that something must be done,'
            they said to each other, and there was a general rush for knowledge. The
            results were so dreadful that the Government of the day had to bring in
            Coercion, and as a consequence of this 'virtuous men sought refuge in
            mountain caves, while rulers of state sat trembling in ancestral halls.'
            Then, when everything was in a state of perfect chaos, the Social
            Reformers got up on platforms, and preached salvation from the ills that
            they and their system had caused. The poor Social Reformers! 'They know
            not shame, nor what it is to blush,' is the verdict of Chuang Tzuu upon
            them.
            The economic question, also, is discussed by this almond-eyed sage at
            great length, and he writes about the curse of capital as eloquently as
            Mr. Hyndman. The accumulation of wealth is to him the origin of evil. It
            makes the strong violent, and the weak dishonest. It creates the petty
            thief, and puts him in a bamboo cage. It creates the big thief, and sets
            him on a throne of white jade. It is the father of competition, and
            competition is the waste, as well as the destruction, of energy. The order
            of nature is rest, repetition, and peace. Weariness and war are the
            results of an artificial society based upon capital; and the richer this
            society gets, the more thoroughly bankrupt it really is, for it has
            neither sufficient rewards for the good nor sufficient punishments for the
            wicked. There is also this to be remembered--that the prizes of the world
            degrade a man as much as the world's punishments. The age is rotten with
            its worship of success. As for education, true wisdom can neither be
            learnt nor taught. It is a spiritual state, to which he who lives in
            harmony with nature attains. Knowledge is shallow if we compare it with
            the extent of the unknown, and only the unknowable is of value. Society
            produces rogues, and education makes one rogue cleverer than another. That
            is the only result of School Boards. Besides, of what possible philosophic
            importance can education be, when it serves simply to make each man differ
            from his neighbour? We arrive ultimately at a chaos of opinions, doubt
            everything, and fall into the vulgar habit of arguing; and it is only the
            intellectually lost who ever argue. Look at Hui Tzu. 'He was a man of many
            ideas. His works would fill five carts. But his doctrines were
            paradoxical.' He said that there were feathers in an egg, because there
            were feathers on a chicken; that a dog could be a sheep, because all names
            were arbitrary; that there was a moment when a swiftly-flying arrow was
            neither moving nor at rest; that if you took a stick a foot long, and cut
            it in half every day, you would never come to the end of it; and that a
            bay horse and a dun cow were three, because taken separately they were
            two, and taken together they were one, and one and two made up three. 'He
            was like a man running a race with his own shadow, and making a noise in
            order to drown the echo. He was a clever gadfly, that was all. What was
            the use of him?'
            Morality is, of course, a different thing. It went out of fashion, says
            Chuang Tzu, when people began to moralise. Men ceased then to be
            spontaneous and to act on intuition. They became priggish and artificial,
            and were so blind as to have a definite purpose in life. Then came
            Governments and Philanthropists, those two pests of the age. The former
            tried to coerce people into being good, and so destroyed the natural
            goodness of man. The latter were a set of aggressive busybodies who caused
            confusion wherever they went. They were stupid enough to have principles,
            and unfortunate enough to act up to them. They all came to bad ends, and
            showed that universal altruism is as bad in its results as universal
            egotism. They 'tripped people up over charity, and fettered them with
            duties to their neighbours.' They gushed over music, and fussed over
            ceremonies. As a consequence of all this, the world lost its equilibrium,
            and has been staggering ever since.
            Who, then, according to Chuang Tzu, is the perfect man? And what is his
            manner of life? The perfect man does nothing beyond gazing at the
            universe. He adopts no absolute position. 'In motion, he is like water. At
            rest, he is like a mirror. And, like Echo, he answers only when he is
            called upon.' He lets externals take care of themselves. Nothing material
            injures him; nothing spiritual punishes him. His mental equilibrium gives
            him the empire of the world. He is never the slave of objective
            existences. He knows that, 'just as the best language is that which is
            never spoken, so the best action is that which is never done.' He is
            passive, and accepts the laws of life. He rests in inactivity, and sees
            the world become virtuous of itself. He does not try to 'bring about his
            own good deeds.' He never wastes himself on effort. He is not troubled
            about moral distinctions. He knows that things are what they are, and that
            their consequences will be what they will be. His mind is the 'speculum of
            creation,' and he is ever at peace.
            All this is of course excessively dangerous, but we must remember that
            Chuang Tzu lived more than two thousand years ago, and never had the
            opportunity of seeing our unrivalled civilisation. And yet it is possible
            that, were he to come back to earth and visit us, he might have something
            to say to Mr. Balfour about his coercion and active misgovernment in
            Ireland; he might smile at some of our philanthropic ardours, and shake
            his head over many of our organised charities; the School Board might not
            impress him, nor our race for wealth stir his admiration; he might wonder
            at our ideals, and grow sad over what we have realised. Perhaps it is well
            that Chuang Tzu cannot return.


            7楼2013-08-21 16:50
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              Meanwhile, thanks to Mr. Giles and Mr. Quaritch, we have his book to
              console us, and certainly it is a most fascinating and delightful volume.
              Chuang Tzu is one of the Darwinians before Darwin. He traces man from the
              germ, and sees his unity with nature. As an anthropologist he is
              excessively interesting, and he describes our primitive arboreal ancestor
              living in trees through his terror of animals stronger than himself, and
              knowing only one parent, the mother, with all the accuracy of a lecturer
              at the Royal Society. Like Plato, he adopts the dialogue as his mode of
              expression, 'putting words into other people's mouths,' he tells us, 'in
              order to gain breadth of view.' As a story-teller he is charming. The
              account of the visit of the respectable Confucius to the great Robber Che
              is most vivid and brilliant, and it is impossible not to laugh over the
              ultimate discomfiture of the sage, the barrenness of whose moral
              platitudes is ruthlessly exposed by the successful brigand. Even in his
              metaphysics, Chuang Tzu is intensely humorous. He personifies his
              abstractions, and makes them act plays before us. The Spirit of the
              Clouds, when passing eastward through the expanse of air, happened to fall
              in with the Vital Principle. The latter was slapping his ribs and hopping
              about: whereupon the Spirit of the Clouds said, 'Who are you, old man, and
              what are you doing?' 'Strolling!' replied the Vital Principle, without
              stopping, for all activities are ceaseless. 'I want to _know_ something,'
              continued the Spirit of the Clouds. 'Ah!' cried the Vital Principle, in a
              tone of disapprobation, and a marvellous conversation follows, that is not
              unlike the dialogue between the Sphinx and the Chimera in Flaubert's
              curious drama. Talking animals, also, have their place in Chuang Tzu's
              parables and stories, and through myth and poetry and fancy his strange
              philosophy finds musical utterance.
              Of course it is sad to be told that it is immoral to be consciously good,
              and that doing anything is the worst form of idleness. Thousands of
              excellent and really earnest philanthropists would be absolutely thrown
              upon the rates if we adopted the view that nobody should be allowed to
              meddle in what does not concern him. The doctrine of the uselessness of
              all useful things would not merely endanger our commercial supremacy as a
              nation, but might bring discredit upon many prosperous and serious-minded
              members of the shop-keeping classes. What would become of our popular
              preachers, our Exeter Hall orators, our drawing-room evangelists, if we
              said to them, in the words of Chuang Tzu, 'Mosquitoes will keep a man
              awake all night with their biting, and just in the same way this talk of
              charity and duty to one's neighbour drives us nearly crazy. Sirs, strive
              to keep the world to its own original simplicity, and, as the wind bloweth
              where it listeth, so let Virtue establish itself. Wherefore this undue
              energy?' And what would be the fate of governments and professional
              politicians if we came to the conclusion that there is no such thing as
              governing mankind at all? It is clear that Chuang Tzu is a very dangerous
              writer, and the publication of his book in English, two thousand years
              after his death, is obviously premature, and may cause a great deal of
              pain to many thoroughly respectable and industrious persons. It may be
              true that the ideal of self-culture and self-development, which is the aim
              of his scheme of life, and the basis of his scheme of philosophy, is an
              ideal somewhat needed by an age like ours, in which most people are so
              anxious to educate their neighbours that they have actually no time left
              in which to educate themselves. But would it be wise to say so? It seems
              to me that if we once admitted the force of any one of Chuang Tzu's
              destructive criticisms we should have to put some check on our national
              habit of self-glorification; and the only thing that ever consoles man for
              the stupid things he does is the praise he always gives himself for doing
              them. There may, however, be a few who have grown wearied of that strange
              modern tendency that sets enthusiasm to do the work of the intellect. To
              these, and such as these, Chuang Tzu will be welcome. But let them only
              read him. Let them not talk about him. He would be disturbing at
              dinner-parties, and impossible at afternoon teas, and his whole life was a
              protest against platform speaking. 'The perfect man ignores self; the
              divine man ignores action; the true sage ignores reputation.' These are
              the principles of Chuang Tzu.


              8楼2013-08-21 16:53
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                ‘The perfect man ignores self; the
                divine man ignores action; the true sage ignores reputation.' These are
                the principles of Chuang Tzu.
                至人无己,神人无功,圣人无名。
                ——逍遥游


                9楼2013-08-21 17:20
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                  庄子幽默的地方多了去啦,看他的书令我笑不可遏~我要去吃饭了,明天再来……


                  11楼2013-08-21 17:54
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                    楼楼辛苦了,坐等更新


                    来自Android客户端12楼2013-08-22 10:46
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                      文中提到庄子怀念的a certain Golden Age,就是庄子所说的“至德之世”。因为三联书店那本书上翻译的是孔子,要说孔子所认为的“黄金时代”,那是夏商周三代之英,即英明的人主禹汤文武的时代。“大道之行也,与三代之英,丘未之逮也,而有志焉。”孔子很遗憾自己没有生在那时,但换成庄子,却不是这样,他追慕的是上古社会的原始状态,“绝圣弃知”的时代。
                      算了,我还是将这篇文章整个翻译一下罢。已有的那个翻译版实在不能读,不但庄子的原文一个字也没有,还有翻译错误。我不敢说比原译者要翻译得好,但是尽量把它改成符合中文的表达习惯,看起来顺畅一些吧~


                      15楼2013-08-22 13:59
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                        翻译他的文真不是一般的费力,到处都是陷阱,比翻小波费力多了= =
                        我在自讨苦吃,啊啊啊


                        17楼2013-08-22 18:14
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                          关于超验,补充一些介绍:
                          Transcendent(超验)在康德的哲学中,同“内在”相对,意为超出一切可能的经验之上,非人的认识能力可以达到。感觉之外的物质世界“自在之物”是客观存在的,它作用于人们的感官而产生感觉;但是人们通过感觉只能认识到它的现象而不可能是其本体。本体是超验的世界,如果试图以经验世界的认知逻辑来切入理解超验世界,就会因“超越”而使理性陷入“二律背反”。


                          18楼2013-08-22 18:18
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                            东方文化之于西方,多是猎艳心态,看好莱坞镜头下的中国,全是自己的脑补与意淫,楼主如果不嫌麻烦,实在可以另码一篇王尔德与中国,介绍王尔德作品在中国的影响度~


                            IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端19楼2013-08-23 13:38
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                              不为功名所苦,不受德望所缚,居然押韵了,哦耶~~
                              惠子也很可爱啊,他也是位有名的辩客,读其他地方记载的惠子故事也超搞笑的。王尔德在这里不遗余力举了惠子的诡辩事例,我想他一定是面带微笑的。庄子说:辩者以此与惠施相应,终身无穷。笑死我也~


                              21楼2013-08-23 17:58
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