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Grey's Anatomy's Jessica Capshaw on Callie and Arizona's Future
[Warning: This story
contains major spoilers from Thursday's episode of Grey's Anatomy. Read at your own risk!]
Grey's Anatomy creator Shonda Rhimes did warn Calzona fans in advance. Several
warnings, in fact. So it should not have come as such a huge, jaw-dropping
surprise in Thursday's episode that Arizona (Jessica Capshaw) did, in fact, cheat on Callie (Sara Ramirez). Alas, we're still heartbroken.
When Dr. Lauren Boswell (Hilarie Burton) came to the Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital, she pretty much immediately set her sights on Arizona, openly flirting with the married doctor (and mother), even in front of her wife, Callie! Even though
Arizona(sort of) rebuffed her advances last week, Arizona gave in this week, kissing Lauren in an on-call room when the power went out and then locking the door for, well, you know. TVGuide.com turned to Capshaw to get her reaction to the big
development and find out what's next for Calzona:
[Warning: This story
contains major spoilers from Thursday's episode of Grey's Anatomy. Read at your own risk!]
Grey's Anatomy creator Shonda Rhimes did warn Calzona fans in advance. Several
warnings, in fact. So it should not have come as such a huge, jaw-dropping
surprise in Thursday's episode that Arizona (Jessica Capshaw) did, in fact, cheat on Callie (Sara Ramirez). Alas, we're still heartbroken.
When Dr. Lauren Boswell (Hilarie Burton) came to the Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital, she pretty much immediately set her sights on Arizona, openly flirting with the married doctor (and mother), even in front of her wife, Callie! Even though
Arizona(sort of) rebuffed her advances last week, Arizona gave in this week, kissing Lauren in an on-call room when the power went out and then locking the door for, well, you know. TVGuide.com turned to Capshaw to get her reaction to the big
development and find out what's next for Calzona:
Can you talk about Arizona's mindset when Lauren is flirting with her? Is she happy someone is attracted to her? Is she desperate to feel something new or alive?
Capshaw: I think Arizona
was really surprised and wondering why she was initially talking to her. I
think she didn't know what to do with the feelings, so she was Arizona about it. She responded in kind, but always kept things clean. I have always felt like
Arizona's moral compass is pretty true, and it seems like that was going on last week when Lauren says, "Look at your beautiful eyes." Arizona
felt like she needed to come clean because there is a little bit of a pull and
when that happens to anyone, it becomes clear that you have to lay down what
your boundaries are. That's why she turned around and said, "Listen, I'm
married. You met her and she's a great person."
I think it's really interesting because the last thing she
says is, "Also, I have one leg." When we went to go shoot this scene,
it was so hard to get that line out in a way that felt natural. It was stuck on
the end of this big, long monologue, but it was the essence of why, on some
level, she was so surprised why someone was so attracted to her and she was
feeling the way that she used to feel in terms of people being attracted to
her. She felt like if she told Lauren she had one leg, then maybe this would
probably all stop. As soon as Lauren found out she only had one leg, for sure
she wasn't going to be attracted to her anymore. Again, that's the interesting
part. Arizona is this new person who's starting to feel whole again, minus the loss, and that's going to bring up different feelings and it's a situation where
she's going to be tested.
Capshaw: I think Arizona
was really surprised and wondering why she was initially talking to her. I
think she didn't know what to do with the feelings, so she was Arizona about it. She responded in kind, but always kept things clean. I have always felt like
Arizona's moral compass is pretty true, and it seems like that was going on last week when Lauren says, "Look at your beautiful eyes." Arizona
felt like she needed to come clean because there is a little bit of a pull and
when that happens to anyone, it becomes clear that you have to lay down what
your boundaries are. That's why she turned around and said, "Listen, I'm
married. You met her and she's a great person."
I think it's really interesting because the last thing she
says is, "Also, I have one leg." When we went to go shoot this scene,
it was so hard to get that line out in a way that felt natural. It was stuck on
the end of this big, long monologue, but it was the essence of why, on some
level, she was so surprised why someone was so attracted to her and she was
feeling the way that she used to feel in terms of people being attracted to
her. She felt like if she told Lauren she had one leg, then maybe this would
probably all stop. As soon as Lauren found out she only had one leg, for sure
she wasn't going to be attracted to her anymore. Again, that's the interesting
part. Arizona is this new person who's starting to feel whole again, minus the loss, and that's going to bring up different feelings and it's a situation where
she's going to be tested.
What does that conversation with Callie look like in the finale? I can imagine being stuck in the close quarters of the hospital because of
the storm will make everything more heightened.
Capshaw: Yes, I think that it will. It's devastating. This is what the
viewers are going to really probably feel the most. It's really scary to feel
this way. My goodness, Callie and Arizona have been through Africa, they've been through the baby, they've been through a car crash, they've been through a plane crash.
They've been through so much and it just started to seem like it was getting
back to normal again and then why now? Why now is Arizona falling apart and making different choices? That's what makes Grey's Anatomy。
I kept thinking back about before I was on the show and how
much I was a fan myself. For five years, I watched it and I loved it and
sometimes I hated it because there was all this bed-hopping. You really rooted
for this couple and something would change and there would be someone new and
you'd hate that person. Then, all of a sudden, you saw why that person was
interesting and what that person brings to the table. Then you were very grateful
for the challenge and the spiciness because you went, "Oh right, this
isn't real life. I'm watching a drama and it's meant to make me feel things,
question things and it's meant to make me want to throw a tomato at the TV as
much as it meant to make me feel like I wished that one of those characters was
my best friend." That's what great TV is. Anyone who is writing a show and
any actor who is on a show is chasing that ability to make viewers question and
think and feel in a way that is way more exciting than what might be happening
in your real life. Unfortunately, obviously, some of that can be really also
heartbreaking. That's why I have said from the very beginning of my entire
experience at Grey's that you have to lean into it. If you lean away and you try to make it not so, it'll make you crazy. You have to trust that you're on a
rollercoaster and what goes up must come down and maybe it'll zig-zag around and maybe it'll take a different loop than you thought it would, but you're going to be there to see what happens.
the storm will make everything more heightened.
Capshaw: Yes, I think that it will. It's devastating. This is what the
viewers are going to really probably feel the most. It's really scary to feel
this way. My goodness, Callie and Arizona have been through Africa, they've been through the baby, they've been through a car crash, they've been through a plane crash.
They've been through so much and it just started to seem like it was getting
back to normal again and then why now? Why now is Arizona falling apart and making different choices? That's what makes Grey's Anatomy。
I kept thinking back about before I was on the show and how
much I was a fan myself. For five years, I watched it and I loved it and
sometimes I hated it because there was all this bed-hopping. You really rooted
for this couple and something would change and there would be someone new and
you'd hate that person. Then, all of a sudden, you saw why that person was
interesting and what that person brings to the table. Then you were very grateful
for the challenge and the spiciness because you went, "Oh right, this
isn't real life. I'm watching a drama and it's meant to make me feel things,
question things and it's meant to make me want to throw a tomato at the TV as
much as it meant to make me feel like I wished that one of those characters was
my best friend." That's what great TV is. Anyone who is writing a show and
any actor who is on a show is chasing that ability to make viewers question and
think and feel in a way that is way more exciting than what might be happening
in your real life. Unfortunately, obviously, some of that can be really also
heartbreaking. That's why I have said from the very beginning of my entire
experience at Grey's that you have to lean into it. If you lean away and you try to make it not so, it'll make you crazy. You have to trust that you're on a
rollercoaster and what goes up must come down and maybe it'll zig-zag around and maybe it'll take a different loop than you thought it would, but you're going to be there to see what happens.
Are there more underlying problems in this relationship besides the
fallout from the plane crash?
Capshaw: None that have been specifically addressed between me and any of the
writers, although, listen, I could certainly think of things from when Arizona gets back from Africa to now. I think you can follow the breadcrumbs. There's a lot
that's happened to them. There was a baby and the ownership of the baby — it
wasn't infidelity because they weren't together, but on some level, weren't they? I definitely think that everything that's happened to them has led to this point. The
biggest thing is that Arizona is being confronted with the idea that she can be
seen as something whole, something new and exciting and attractive.
fallout from the plane crash?
Capshaw: None that have been specifically addressed between me and any of the
writers, although, listen, I could certainly think of things from when Arizona gets back from Africa to now. I think you can follow the breadcrumbs. There's a lot
that's happened to them. There was a baby and the ownership of the baby — it
wasn't infidelity because they weren't together, but on some level, weren't they? I definitely think that everything that's happened to them has led to this point. The
biggest thing is that Arizona is being confronted with the idea that she can be
seen as something whole, something new and exciting and attractive.
Do you think there's hope for Callie and Arizona?
Capshaw: I don't know. We all know just being on the show, even if there's a
concrete answer one way or the other, it could always change. I don't know how
you come back from this. It depends on how characters rebound from certain
things: whether or not you can ever truly come back from infidelity, whether or
not that trust is broken, whether or not you can reclaim it. There's so many
different questions.
Capshaw: I don't know. We all know just being on the show, even if there's a
concrete answer one way or the other, it could always change. I don't know how
you come back from this. It depends on how characters rebound from certain
things: whether or not you can ever truly come back from infidelity, whether or
not that trust is broken, whether or not you can reclaim it. There's so many
different questions.
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Do you feel like part of Arizona thinks what she did is forgivable?
Capshaw: I don't think that Arizona
wanted to do anything wrong. It was a crime of passion. If she had been
thinking, she would never have done anything. She had a moment where she didn't
and that was the only way I could play it. I could never have played it being
purposeful because of course she knows that she's a wife and she's a mother and
how could she ever do this? I think there's not much thought in it and that's
probably what she will cling to — is not having felt like she was in control or
knowing what she was doing. Then beyond that, I don't know. I think she'll take
responsibility because that's the kind of character that she is. It was never
going to be Arizona cheating and then sneaking around, and that's very clear.
That's not who she is.
Capshaw: I don't think that Arizona
wanted to do anything wrong. It was a crime of passion. If she had been
thinking, she would never have done anything. She had a moment where she didn't
and that was the only way I could play it. I could never have played it being
purposeful because of course she knows that she's a wife and she's a mother and
how could she ever do this? I think there's not much thought in it and that's
probably what she will cling to — is not having felt like she was in control or
knowing what she was doing. Then beyond that, I don't know. I think she'll take
responsibility because that's the kind of character that she is. It was never
going to be Arizona cheating and then sneaking around, and that's very clear.
That's not who she is.
One of my favorite scenes in Grey's history was when Callie was going
to fight Izzie (Katherine Heigl) in the commissary because of George
(T.R. Knight).
Could we see Callie want to fight Lauren, or is this more just
devastation?
Capshaw: It's devastation. It's so heartbreaking. This is their defining
moment. I think every character that's a regular on the show right now has, on
the show, been with at least two or more people except for Arizona. Arizona is
the pristine woman who met her lady, signed up and it's been what it is. Besides the devastating things that have happened, they've been the happy couple. Shonda and I talked about this a lot, which is that you can't have the relationship just live this happy fairytale. It's not fair.
You have to give them the same obstacle that you give other couples.
It's in the name of this being this provocative drama when
you're meant to feel things, root for things, be upset and get over it, and
then figure out why. Maybe there's something understandable about what she has
done on some level. That's what's meant to be probably the most heartbreaking
part. I think that some people will just be Team Callie or Team Arizona. But I do think that the people who really think about what's happened, you'll be able to
see how devastating and how heartbreaking it is for both of them. There's a real
reason for both of their circumstances.
to fight Izzie (Katherine Heigl) in the commissary because of George
(T.R. Knight).
Could we see Callie want to fight Lauren, or is this more just
devastation?
Capshaw: It's devastation. It's so heartbreaking. This is their defining
moment. I think every character that's a regular on the show right now has, on
the show, been with at least two or more people except for Arizona. Arizona is
the pristine woman who met her lady, signed up and it's been what it is. Besides the devastating things that have happened, they've been the happy couple. Shonda and I talked about this a lot, which is that you can't have the relationship just live this happy fairytale. It's not fair.
You have to give them the same obstacle that you give other couples.
It's in the name of this being this provocative drama when
you're meant to feel things, root for things, be upset and get over it, and
then figure out why. Maybe there's something understandable about what she has
done on some level. That's what's meant to be probably the most heartbreaking
part. I think that some people will just be Team Callie or Team Arizona. But I do think that the people who really think about what's happened, you'll be able to
see how devastating and how heartbreaking it is for both of them. There's a real
reason for both of their circumstances.
What do you want to say to Callie and Arizona fans who are undoubtedly
devastated after this?
Capshaw: I know! I know! Listen, it's really important to remember — and I so
understand the investment in TV characters because they're in your home every
week — but this is a challenge and it's part of a story. Nothing is written in
stone and I don't know that anyone knows exactly what's going to happen, but I
can almost guarantee that whatever happens is going to still be, as Grey's Anatomy is, thrilling, exciting and heartbreaking.
devastated after this?
Capshaw: I know! I know! Listen, it's really important to remember — and I so
understand the investment in TV characters because they're in your home every
week — but this is a challenge and it's part of a story. Nothing is written in
stone and I don't know that anyone knows exactly what's going to happen, but I
can almost guarantee that whatever happens is going to still be, as Grey's Anatomy is, thrilling, exciting and heartbreaking.
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