“Chromatica was very literal because that’s all I had,” she says. “I didn’t have a lot of the same type of poetry inside of me because I sort of lost it. And I actually think that was true for Joanne as well. But it’s almost like if someone were to say, ‘How do you feel?’ and you refuse to give an artistic response, you just go, ‘I feel like shit.’ … The spirit of Chromatica was to be hopeful when you’re not.”